Gaia: Vision Cafe - Visionaries Unite! - Discuss the "Visionary Mind Shifts" - the mind shift

Re: the mind shift

http://ssyoon.gaia.com — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:17:52 GMT

i love how this thread is about a year old and the discussion is still so fresh

i loved reading the different perspectives on this topic~i agree with what most of you are saying >.o sometimes i wonder what will happen when humans become extinct...will another human-like species evolve, or, as some of you have said already, will the universe just exist without us? i dunno.

Re: the mind shift

http://kevinroyes.gaia.com — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:47:48 GMT

It seems to me that there is a force behind all this that is up to something...a designing force...creating things like any designer. Start with an idea (a casette tape playing, personal music device for example) make it and call it a Walkman. Inevitably the designers see a way to make the first design better, so they get working on the next model. More features, smaller, faster. No sooner does the latest model go to production when new research leads to new ideas leads to yet another updated model. On and on it goes...

But then there is a breakthrough in technology...digital music and the CD...making the casette tape obsolete...extinct. Now the cycle starts all over again. Create, update, create, update, until the next technology breakthrough...MP3 players...making the CD the next victim of a continuous (and therefore, predictable) cycle.

If we look at the earth and universe in this way, we can see a similar pattern. There was a time before earth (about 10 billion years) and then there was earth. There was a time when life here didn't exist, and then it did. At first simple and has continued to get more and more complex as the design worked its way into creating intricate animals. It seems the designers weren't happy with the way things were going so they started over...mass extinction...with the dinosaur era. After 150 million years of massive creatures roaming the earth nothing was any different...eat, walk, make little ones. The designers wanted change to happen, progress and the dinosaur design just wasn't cutting it. Snap of the finger...extinction. Enter the mamal era 65 million years ago, but same thing. A shark lives exactly the same way now as it did when it first arrived here. Boring. Nature has created stars, moons, and planets...progress. I think nature wants progress here also, so 100,000 years ago, they introduce us...the human.

When I look at existence from this perspective of design working towards higher and higher complexity (after all, look how complex the designers are in order to create a magnificently inter-dependent universe...or even a banana), I see human existence as part of a much larger process. Clearly the universe was doing fine before us, which gives us every reason to believe it can do fine without us...we're not that special. But we are part of it's creative expression, and we are the only ones here with the "feature" of the mind. The mind, which is the place for awareness, reflection, identity...is also the place from where we create - progress. No other creatures on earth have created the way we do. Yes there are those that have made tools...but has the smartest chimpanzee ever lit a fire to cook it's food, or used a laser to fix another with poor vision, or built a boat to travel to the jungle across the way.

The mind is such a wonderful tool for us to have and make use of like a car, but alas...the vast majority of us (myself included) don't really know how to use the tool...or what the heck the tool is for in the first place. It's like we all got cars at the age of 16 with no lessons, explanations, maps, directions. And as a result, we're all speeding around like reckless drivers making a mess of it all. We crash into each other causing damage that we don't know how to fix, so even though we have a flat tire, we keep driving, feeling terrible, not turning well...our damaged selves going from day to day. Or we crash into things messing them up...forests, oil tankers, exploding nuclear power plants.

Many people have a notion that our mind is the problem. We must transcend the mind...kill the self. But it seems to me that the problem is not at all the mind or identification with the "self". The problem is that we don't know how to use the mind...we don't know how to drive. And even those who do figure out how to drive...we don't know our destination...our purpose.

The creative force behind all this gave us this feature as an upgrade...to use it. Funny how the developed countries have been using the mind to "control"nature instead of looking to integrate with nature. Oh well...nature doesn't need us. If we don't get ourselves straight, we may find ourselves part of the 6th mass extinction...a newer model...more features, faster, lighter, more resiliant could be right behind us...in the making as I type. Human 2.0. They will study us in class rooms...like the 8 track tape...we had our time.

Re: the mind shift

http://environsand.gaia.com — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:08:57 GMT

No -it's not that we are more advanced than animals -apart from the gift
of speech -yet has that served us well,I wonder?
Look at what we do to ourselves-as children,we understand and are spiritually
aligned -and then the elders gradually take that away from us.
Has becoming more learned benifited in any way other than an advancement
in technology?
Our teachings are widely different,as are our Cultures.
Our modern World is pre-programmed and we are naught but robots,
in a way.
And yet we strive to look back for our origins,for our true selves,for
the answers we originally knew and for spiritual re-connection.

Re: the mind shift

http://adakir.gaia.com — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:42:19 GMT

I highly agree. Especially about the animals. It is not that humans are "more advanced" so to speak. Rather, our "design" is more apt to the conquering of the planet, then, for example, squirrels, which are "designed" more for gathering nuts and running through suburbs.

Re: the mind shift

http://MarcusMolineaux.gaia.com — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:03:58 GMT

I personally don't see any problem with say "human existence in its current state". "If the world is bad, refer to your dad, and his 'fore, four score"

    It really isnt possible to seperate yourself from the universe. You were grown out of it, and are a direct expression of its abilities and magnificence. You must understand that in the scheme of the universe, worlds and stars collide. The universe is a constant flux of destruction and creation, chaos and perfection, just like the human race on earth. In the big scheme of things, we are doing perfectly fine on this earth, growing, learning, taching, and slowly discovering ourselves. Notice the more we learn about ourselves and our miniscule enviorment here on earth, the clearer the universe becomes.

    Nothing Unnatural is happening to, with, or because of us. 2007 a.d. within earth's timeline, is simply a location on the map of time. Just as the stars create new elements, bonds, and situations with explosions and pefectly calculated catastrophies. Humans create new elements, bonds, and situations with explosive and perfectly calculated thoughts...

    In response to the comment on humans being able to create egos and animals not... You're simply not giving animals enough credit. Speech is civilization... and thats why we are civilized. If animals could communicate with speech it would be a whole different world. It is only a matter of time before it's developed. I'm not talking about sea animals and eco location either.

Re: the mind shift

http://environsand.gaia.com — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:52:47 GMT

I would have used magical instead of magicians-
and isn't it delightful when we are with each other ,
that are here too.

Re: the mind shift

http://esse.gaia.com — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:29:02 GMT

I like when you said: "What is the solution? The reastablishment of communication by the Spirit of the Universe in us."

The next question that comes to mind is: "Once I have established communication by the Spirit of the Universe in me, what happens?"

I agree with you. Sometimes I am so distracted that I can't hear my higher mind, I can't hear wisdom speaking to me. Other times, I am clear and can have a wonderfully clear communication with Spirit. And when I do, I'm always empowered to do something really good and worthwhile. I always know when it's real because it carries a powerful sense of Love. That's when I know it's divine guidance!

So I totally agree with you. When we clear away our distractions and we commune with Spirit, we are empowered to heal ourselves and the world. To me we become like magicians.

Re: the mind shift

http://environsand.gaia.com — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:11:33 GMT

Such a beautiful page Michael-
how does one join?

Re: the mind shift

http://my-head.gaia.com — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:05:36 GMT

WELL SAID mary.

WE are individually but one physical manifestation, amongst ALL of the species' collective physical manifestations - and as such - the ONLY perspective of consciousness COMMON to ALL IS the ONE & ONLY CONSCIOUSNESS SUPREME.

THE tendency, however, of such ALL PREVAILING POWER without humility, in each & every individual, IS to adopt the perspective that the individual consciousness reigns supreme - rather than assuming the responsibilty of acting ... with humility as a component part of the collective whole.

THE mind SHIFT IS to truly understand THIS.

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Re: the mind shift

http://marygrace.gaia.com — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:52:08 GMT

i agree and disagree
as human beings, we are obviously born with a set of capabilities not granted to any other known species. among these is the awareness of our own consciousness. this, in turn, creates a sense of identity which creates the ego. the individual self must also have individual thoughts therefore thoughts known only to the individual are an unavoidable aspect of being human. yet, this does not necessarily make us superior to the rest of the world. actually, it certainly does not. as human beings with egos, we inherently act for ourselves and this has screwed things up pretty badly. the majority of mankind is aware that humans are the most harmful animals on earth. but whatever divine force you do or do not believe in must have meant for us to be this way, no? or...could our potential for thought be a mere obstacle on our path to spiritual enlightenment, such as with taoism? either way, it is what it is and i am much too agnostic to begin to think of what makes things what they are.
respectfully,
mary

Re: the mind shift

http://angelaspaxman.gaia.com — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:47:34 GMT

Wow, that’s cool, Rash.

So what does this mean?

Most (90%?) of our actions are beyond our conscious control (body regulation, emotional responses, memories etc.). In other words, we are animals.

If "man is the only one who can cease to divide himself from the world" this must be through our consciousness. So as we evolve to be more conscious, to be less controlled by our pimitive fears and emotional reactions, to be more aware of what is versus what we imagine
...well then there's nothing to say, right?

Re: the mind shift

http://rosh.gaia.com — Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:14:20 GMT

stella
im fairly online with what youre saying

separation is the problem
and communication is the answer

now it should be pointed out
that separation is not the problem
the problem is the thot or notion or feeling or sense of being separate

further i will point out that there is no problem
therefore no need for any anwer

if there really is no separation
then communication will not solve the issue

and there is no separation whatsoever
so this framework of socalled communication
will just become the next issue which comes to separate us
that is it will make us think or feel that separation actually exists
else why are we applying this remedy of communication

in actuality the communication is already perfectly intact
the unity is perfect
there exists no separation

humankind is no exception to anything

even the animals feel this division into i and other

there is a hierarchy a pecking order which humans have inherited

man is not the only one who divides himself from the world
man is the only one who can cease to divide himself from the world

actually animals can too but not in their present form
theres no need

how can we cease to divide ourselves from the world from each other
into categories of i and they i and it

well theres no need to cease this division because it actually does not exist

if you understand that then theres nothing to say
and if you do not understand this then theres nothing to say

love

Re: the mind shift

http://environsand.gaia.com — Sun, 31 Dec 2006 04:21:54 GMT

love it Stella -
"The reastablishment of communitcation by the Spirit of the Universe in us"

and stuff the "establishment" as it is,I say!

the mind shift

http://blauerstern.gaia.com — Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:02:14 GMT

As human beeings we are part of the problem, not the solution. We are the only beeings, that things, they could have privat thought and could therefore be cut off from the whole universe, which is in total communication. The nessisary mind shift have to come from beyond our own frame of reference of time and space.
In other words, we crewed it up and now we do need help. Trying to solve the problem with our egos will continiue this world of time, which is an impossible atempt to solve the problem. What is the problem? Separation. What is the solution? The reastablishment of communication by the Spirit of the Universe in us.