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Re: Should we predict death?

Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:51:44 GMT

** and when I say "state" I mean state of change, not state of being. Death is too polarized to be a state of being. Life is a state of being because it's a generally neutral state...at least that's how I see it.

Re: Should we predict death?

Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:26:48 GMT

I don't know anything explicitly like this happening, but I'm sure that it can.

I recently had an experience where I woke up one morning feeling nervous and with this uncanny feeling that my mother or my sister's death was possible that day. She was still asleep and I kept compulsively checking on her to make sure she was alright, but couldn't feel that she was. It was so strong that I had to sit outside and despite the cold weather I couldn't feel how cold it was. I finally laxed up a bit when she finally woke up and fell asleep...she and my sister went out while I was and I found out when my sister came back that my mom had to be taken to the hospital for what turned out to be pneumonia.

I had class that evening, and when I was getting out of the car my mom asked me to touch her head to give her strength and I did. It floored me when I found out it was pneumonia. She'd been sick for awhile and I'd been wary of that, but stil can't think up any other explanation other than the obvious why I felt so wired that particular day when she finally had to go to the hospital. When I get like that I feel no will at all, I can never think...just feel. I told my mom about this because we have a history of feeling when the other is sick or in trouble despite not really getting along...she told me I should've acted on it. I'm often termed as hysterical and I think that's what kept me from acting, knowing if I said something I wouldn't be believed...it was ultimately my mom who made the decision to go and I feel it's better that way.

With reference to the larger question and with a generally more objective view to life and experience since I posted the blog on this topic...I say that if you feel someone else's death is imminent, it may be best to let them choose if they wish to act or not. It's their fate, not yours. It's so easy to feel you're responsible for others you feel for but I don't feel that's accurate. That you feel is a part of your destiny or fate, perhaps indicating how you must grow as a person...to use it to predict anything for anyone else is abuse and misuse. Always.

As for using predictions for yourself, I don't see it as abuse or misuse but as a right. A tool like any other talent or trait. I don't think you have to use it if you don't want to and don't feel it's appropriate to do so.

I think this topic is created with the view in mind of death as being menacing and threatening, but I don't feel that's death reality. It's a state and I think you can choose to avoid going to that state if you don't feel prepared to change but also that you'll instinctually avoid death if you're not ready to change. I feel that our spirits leave when they're ready to leave, whether our mind has wrapped around it or not. The question of whether we should predict it because we may be more sensitive to death's reality is irrelevant.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://spiritualdirection.gaia.com — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:51:35 GMT

Has anyone ever seen indications of their own passing to be imminent? If so how does the individual respond? Disbelief? Calmly making arrangements? Surely some of us might stumble upon a fellow intuitive with this concern and eventually it may be more than fear because the reality is people die, get premonitions, and some suspect their own deaths some time prior to its occurrence from what I've heard.

A friend of mine who passed in Jan. of '01 several weeks before the birth of my youngest felt her passing would occur soon as early as the summer before and openly spoke of it around Thanksgiving and Christmas. It wasn't self-fulfilling but the result of a physician's error and incompatible medications that created a clot or embolism.

Re: Should we predict death?

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:11:45 GMT

I made a blog post inspired by this thread...I was shy about responding here, but after finishing it decided that posting a link back won't hurt.

http://ofblossom.gaia.com/blog/2008/10/about_death

Re: Should we predict death?

http://joancharles.gaia.com — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:30:31 GMT

opps sorry folks I didn't think my last reply went throught.

joan

Re: Should we predict death?

http://joancharles.gaia.com — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:18:55 GMT

Hi everyone, I have just joined and am looking forward to the discussions. To reply to the thread, you know I believe that we have a responsibility to ourselves and others especially in an emotional area. Is it really our place to take it upon oursleves to convay when we think someone elses time of death is?? Surely they have already made that decision and perhaps depending on their beliefs, pre birth, or maybe is it evolving for a particular reason? however you look at it it is their choice not ours and ethically I feel we need to respect that. I have been in a position as a reader where i have seen the passing of a loved one for my client, if i have to deliver any message it is always well wrapped up so that they don't leave feeling awful or not knowing what to do. They will realise when things settle and they are in a better place. I have also been priviliged to be with my cousin when he passed and was able to talk him through the next stage and to tell him it was alright to let go there was nothing to fear. For that I truly thank him it was an amazing gift. But who am I? we all need to make the right decision for ourselves at the appropriate time and if we listen to the inner voice we will be guided to what the best course of action is then. Joan www.evolvedstate.com

Re: Should we predict death?

http://joancharles.gaia.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:44:02 GMT

A very ineresting question. As a psycihc i have been in this position and i have a few views on it. Firstly it is not my responsibility to play with someone else's journey, it is their's and their's alone. In my opinion they have already made the choice anyway eiethr pre birth or it has been unfolding.

If i saw this for a client who had someone close to death i may wrap it up in some kind of subliminal message, where they would know after the event what I was trying to tell them.

Personally I knew a cousin was dying the evening i went to see him in the hospital, he was thankfully in a room on his own and I closed the curtains. As his breathing became laboured I could see he was begining to make the shift i spoke to him about where he was going and the joy he might expect. I also told him it was alright to let go and to take the journey home. Not long after he passed away. It was a privillage for me to have been in that position and I thank him for allowing me to do so.

The very first thing we must think about is a responsibility to the persons emotions and a respect for where they are. I also feel that we must be guided by our own true consciousness as it will provide us with the correct answer if we simply just tune into our inner voice.

Joan
www.evolvedstate.com

Re: Should we predict death?

http://AngelsIntution.gaia.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:48:48 GMT

I have had many call me to ask when their father, mom or so and so is going to die. My response is their death is in their hands. Their thoughts create their reality... transformation is a death process as well. They feel better and it is honest response. I now wonder if it is. I ponder the question about prayer healing circles... If it is time for the person to leave this worldly realm, are we being selfish to pray for them to stay?

I have had many dreams predicting my own death... the first time, the dream repeated for six months of my being in a car accident. I saw me dying from it. One year later, I flipped my car and the cop said, You should be dead. You must be connected to still be here. I simply looked to the Heavens and said yes I am. Thinking... was this the accident or a forewarning?
Eighteen months later, ... I was in a head on collision with a drunk driver. Both of us going about 55 miles a hour, hitting driver side to driver side....both from Arizona (this happened in Oregon), both driving Toyotas and both of us had changed our routes mid travel. A fate to meet... I say Yes!
Again, I went to black and then returned. Not wanting to... I just wanted to sleep, yet here I was sitting in a Toyota Highlander with the headlight about a foot away from me still breathing. Most want to say... you aren't done. Well, while I was laying in the ER waiting for the doctor (though I only bruises and a bump on the head), I asked the Universe... Okay, why am I still here? I am suppose to be dead. My guides said.... yes, you are but his Love kept you here. Oh, God's love...I replied. Well, yes and no... Yes, God loves you, though it was another person's strong love that kept you here. He didn't want you just in the spiritual plane. He wanted you in the physical plane as well...
Okay... I have heard of praying circle asking for miracles... I know they work and the energies are healing and loving intention. My question is... Is it right for another person to keep someone on this earthly plane when it was time to go? Any thoughts on that?

Re: Should we predict death?

Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:48:25 GMT

Thank you for your insights Amrita. It is always fascinating to read or hear personal stories about individual experience regarding this issue.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://amritalamu.gaia.com — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:26:41 GMT

I would not (and have not) alerted anyone to their impending transition. I feel that this information comes to me personally for me to have the opportunity to exercise compassion. It comes to remind me that tomorrow is not a guarantee. In the few instances it has happened, I have asked myself "what good might come of my sharing the knowlege?" Thus far, there was nothing I could see that would have been productive.

Just by the way, the first time it happened for me was the year my mother died. I took her calendar for the New Year and posted my schedule on it from January 1988 to the last day of May. Wasn't sure why I stopped there, but my guide said to stop so I did. I rationalized it by telling myself that I would update her calendar for the last six months of the year on June 1st. Well, I'm sure you've realized that she died on May 31st of that year. It was a shock and a mental "damn, of course! I should have realized and done something to warn her of heart trouble!" But at the time, I didn't know and none of us did, that she had a heart condition. She was seeing physicans for another ailment and even with all the tests they put her through, the physicians themselves did not see the heart problem.

This calendar thing has happened to me twice since. It will not happen in 2008 because I made the decision a couple of years ago NOT to mark a calendar beyond a week at the time.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://gypster2004.gaia.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:52:33 GMT

You (Psychic Dad) said in response to my post:

"I wish I could agree with this statement. My experience, while admittedly limited to my life, has proven otherwise. As far as I can tell, there are “death points” where someone could make a transition and others where it is inevitable. "

I do agree with this, which is why (I feel) it is very important to not breathe energy at the person that could make the transition. To utter the words (from silence into sound, and from sound into matter) can make a probable instance manifest more readily. Of course things may change on a case by case basis, since it is ultimately our Higher Selves which make the decisions.

The higher self of healer/psychic can observe what the healee/person has in store. Sometimes what our rationalizing mind says can be different from what our intuitive selves say to do. This is sometimes tricky because we need ot filter through the selfish emotions and thoughts of our lower selves to come to the best decision for all involved. And sometimes that's the hardest to do.

Hence, in my experience it is sometimes very necessary for me to act from afar, to provide "distance support and healing" and to only speak and emote positive things around an individual that could shift into another type of existance.

Any inappropriate action (not in accordance with my higher self or the other person's higher self) would bring big, heavy bags of "karmic responsibility" for myself and would sling that negativity at the other person. Not to say that I would not have the absolute "best" intentions... but as I stated before, sometimes our "best" is not what is appropriate in any given situation.

As far as someone "known" to be making the transition definately in one of the "death points", it's important to read what's in store for their higher self and discern very carefully about the best course of action whether it be direct or indirect.

Best,

Sara H.

Re: Should we predict death?

Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:17:05 GMT

LittleDove wrote:

"I believe that if you have the information ,and someone point blank asks you, You need to be honest and tell them.. If they dont ask ,dont say anything."

When I first started giving psychic readings to the public about 12 years ago, I was instructed by a teacher to reveal everything I received to my clients. The pain I caused my clients and myself quickly put that naivety to rest.

I believe there are revelations that we receive solely for our personal benefit; our understanding, emotional preparation and enrichment.

*Please note: I no longer do psychic readings for the public.

Re: Should we predict death?

Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:08:42 GMT

Bryan wrote:

"I believe the question not only asks us to consider how uncomfortable this sensitivity is, but to consider the true purpose for which the ability is intended."

Indeed Bryan, as we know, it can be incredibly uncomfortable...almost torturous.

Your idea of preparing someone for transition is a wise one.

You also wrote:

"When listening to the news and hearing of a missing person, I know if the person is still alive. I also know that I am not to intervene. How?"

I have experienced this as well. Occasionally I am asked by friends why I do not contact law enforcement and report what I know. Usually it is because I know the outcome and also that I know the person will be found within days. There is no reason for me to report in those cases.

Re: Should we predict death?

Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:07:28 GMT

Gypster (Sara) wrote:

"In my opinion it would be unethical to breathe energy into the situation by thinking it or saying it, much less telling the individual about a 'pending death. ' All a psychic sees is a tendancy or a possibility within a person's energy and they are never set in stone."

I wish I could agree with this statement. My experience, while admittedly limited to my life, has proven otherwise. As far as I can tell, there are "death points" where someone could make transition and others where it is inevitable.

I definitely agree that some deaths really are beyond our control or influence, even in the case of suicide.

I very much appreciate your input and view point.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://LITTLEDOVE.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:35:19 GMT

Hi < May I say this , I believe that if you have the information ,and someone point blank asks you, You need to be honest and tell them.. If they dont ask ,dont say anything. the other day I spoke with someone I trust with all my heart, I asked a question ,but I already have the answer .I told him that ..but still this person would not answer me, the fact that he did not answer ,gave me my answer, . I have been given some information about someone very dear to me , It was given by my beloved guide and the angels as well. It has been confirmed over and over and over by other people I value as true and very highly evolved and very spiritual intuitives. I have made the decision not to tell this person that i love so much and who is going to die, that he will be passing from this world in a few short months. The information was given to me for my growth and to help me . My Guide told me to prepare me so it would not be such a shock and i could begin to get things in order slowly so I could go on . So if you have been given info about someone you are close to , maybe you need to think about why You received the info in the first place. It could have been given to help you ,not the one who is leaving. As I was told in our case ,He has completed his lifes purpose and is tired . he is ready to go home now to rest. That is all I know. Hope it helps in some way. if not, I hope it makes some sense.. Blessings, Littledove.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://making-it-all-click.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:58:54 GMT

Interesting question. I believe the question not only asks us to consider how uncomfortable this sensitivity is, but to consider the true purpose for which the ability is intended.

To predict the time of death does have a purpose beyond being accurate. If one is on her death bed and death is imminent, then some spiritual understanding is helpful to the dying and to those who must let go.

I use the sensitivity to begin instructing the person's subconscious on how to transition (like giving instructions from the Book of the Dead) or use it to reitterate to a loved one through the understanding of death, that death is only a temporary separation.

Not only do I predict the death, per se, but I include some other gems of intuitive information that tie it all together from a divine perspective (the guru servant in me). This creates the Jon Edwards effect before the transition occurs. A lot of comfort comes from that.

If the death will be accidental, out of the blue, unexpected; that is another thing.

In reality, death is never untimely, because it is always karmically planned.

I can tell if death can be avoided through an intervention by the feeling of the whole scenario. If it is my role to intervene, I play the part, and if I do not intervene, someone else always does.

No karmic outcome rests soley on one or two insightful intuitives. If you are not sure what to do, do nothing and watch the universe conspire. Learn from the outcome. Otherwise, plenty of intuitives walk around with the weight of world.

When listening to the news and hearing of a missing person, I know if the person is still alive. I also know that I am not to intervene. How?

I take a step back and look at the larger picture, and see what was meant to be accomplished from the event from a universal perspective; and without a second thought, I change the channel.

It is the same with death. The ability to foretell is not chiefly meant for intervention. Some people use the ability creatively.

Some of these light workers take care of the elderly at nursing homes and wait for death to come and give comfort. Therapy animals do this all the time.

On both sides of the psychic veil, these light workers sit and wait to do nothing more than facilitate the process, like the little lady in Poltergeist who said, "Go into the light children! Go into the light! All are welcome! All are welcome!"

Re: Should we predict death?

http://gypster2004.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:32:37 GMT

Oh and one more thing, please don't assume that this is an easy task to watch as someone you love disintrigrates. It's not. I am not a person without feeling. It IS painful, yet reason and discernment still needs to be applied in order to avoid creating more suffering.

Re: Should we predict death?

http://gypster2004.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:29:03 GMT

In my opinion it would be unethical to breathe energy into the situation by thinking it or saying it, much less telling the individual about a "pending death." All a psychic sees is a tendancy or a possibility within a person's energy and they are never set in stone.

The best course of action would be to try to diffuse said death by sending the person your well wishes and prayers, yet do NOT utter one single word about death or dying to anyone. If that person is receptive to your energies, the instance will be avoided. But if it's not we are not in control of what their higher self has in store.

I have recently rediscovered this since my late father committed suicide. I have come to understand the signs that were there that I had overlooked. And I have come to the understanding that it was absolutely 100% beyond my control, as with any death of those around me.

I simply refuse to debate about whether or not I'd help someone physically who was in dire need. I most certainly would do my best to "rescue" them but be sure I do not go down with the sinking ship as well. If they are rejecting my help overtly or I am getting clues from my higher self to back away, I will leave them to experience the choices they've made.

Best,

Sara H.

Re: Should we predict death?

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:57:29 GMT

Wow, apparently I ask the wrong questions! ;-)

Should we predict death?

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:51:25 GMT

The Parapsychological Association's "Frequently Asked Questions" website lists this as one the fears of psi:

With ESP, you might learn things that you do not want to know about yourself or other people--i.e., accidents that are about to happen, things you would rather not be responsible for knowing about.

Let's make two assumptions about the hypothetical death of someone close to you:

You, a natural psychic or not, clearly perceive and know about the impending death of someone close to you.
The best you can do is delay their transition, but you cannot prevent it.

Should you tell this person about their death?