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Laws and Psi

Psychic Dad [no longer around] said Nov 28, 2007, 8:33 PM:

Dr. Mishlove has published an essay entitled A Manifesto for Psychic Liberation.

In it he discusses the need for a psychic liberation movement, why it should be pursued now, and facing our own demons.

As a natural psychic, I have observed non-psychic's reaction to psychic perception over the years. It has ranged any where from irrational fear to immediate physical violence. Rarely has it ever been well recieved, even from people who proclaim a positive attitude toward it.

Dr. Mishlove quotes the Parapsychological Association's Web Site with a list of fears about human psychic perception:

It is associated with diabolic forces, magic and witchcraft.

It suggests the loss of normal ego boundaries.

People might be able to read your mind and know that you secretly (or unconsciously) harbor sexual and aggressive thoughts, or worse.

If you talk about it, people might think you're crazy.

If you think you experience psi, maybe you are crazy.

Before you were six years old, your parents provided negative reinforcement for your little demonstrations of telepathy.

Thinking about psi leads to a medieval superstitious mentality, which will in turn support a rising tide of dangerous, primitive thinking.

With ESP, you might learn things that you do not want to know about yourself or other people – i.e., accidents that are about to happen, and things you would rather not be responsible for knowing about.

Psi might interfere with the normal human process of ego separation and development. Therefore, we have devised subtle strategies for cultural inhibition.

If you are telepathic, how will you distinguish other people's thoughts from your own? Perhaps this will lead to mental illness.

Many people have a self-destructive streak to their personality. What damage would result if psi were used in the service of this factor? Psychiatrist Jule Eisenbud wrote about this in his book Parapsychology and the Unconscious.

If psi exists, how many of my other cherished beliefs will I have to give up?

If psi exists, does that mean that a psychic could watch me while I am using bathroom facilities?

If psi exists, then perhaps I cannot wall myself off so easily from the pain and suffering in the world.

How many of these fears are legitimate?

And do you think that laws will ever been enacted against the use of human psychic perception?

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Xia said Nov 29, 2007, 2:46 PM:

Good Discussion!

I related to many of the fears listed… I have been called a devil more times than I care to count, have been told my parents inappropriately responded to my “overactive imagination”, and have been told that psychic perception is a form of mental illness…

Are these fears legitimate? Well I'm not the devil and my experiences date back to the earliest years of childhood… long before I heard of Magick or Wicca. I've never once been confused between my own thoughts and another's or thought about watching someone in the bathroom. And if psychic perception is merely reducible to a mental illness, then there are many who would be well served to be as ill as I, for the statistical improbabilities produced of this illness are simply astounding!

Seriously, I feel that the majority of these fears are born of a society who lives a reality incongruent to the Actuality of the Universe. Ego dissolution is a goal of mine, and, ultimately, All is One. Those who hold tight to their perception of isolation and separation, will, in time, learn to overcome those Illusions.

I don't foresee a law ever being passed against the use of psychic perception - not only would such be nearly impossible to enforce, I believe that Humanity is gradually Awakening!

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Psychic Dad [no longer around] said Nov 29, 2007, 5:01 PM:

Thanks for your insights Xia.

Consider yourself blessed to have never confused someone else's thoughts/feelings with your own. Before any formal training, that happened to me regularly.

There are many of these fears I have experienced. However I'd like to get more insights into this subject from yourself and others before I elaborate.

Can you embellish more on this thought: “I feel that the majority of these fears are born of a society who lives a reality incongruent to the Actuality of the Universe.” [Emphasis added]

What do you mean by Actuality? I am pretty sure I know what you mean, but I want to make sure.

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Xia said Nov 29, 2007, 9:33 PM:

Regarding confusing someone else's thoughts/feelings with your own… I realized in reading your response that perhaps I should have been more thoughtful when composing my words. Psychic perception seems to be like any other form of perception… the experience of each individual is unique to that individual. I have a dear friend who is very much the empath, but that's never really been my experience. Similar with knowing the thoughts of others… I can perceive the thoughts of random others sometimes; much more common with those I am close to. What I tend to see is a “flash” of an image or something like a daydream where a scene plays out or a revelation is unfolded…

Regarding “Actuality”… to me reality is that which one perceives or realizes of vibration/energy/life without bearing on the actuality of life's true vibrational range, content, and scope… I was expressing the sentiment that many base their fears on a very limited, isolated view of the grand - and interconnected - scheme of things!

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Bryan said Dec 7, 2007, 7:33 AM:

Yeah, that is why I roughly emphasize this triune experience in liberation of my personal Psi (An article I am writing for Evolved State, Joan Charles' magazine):

1. Laws of the Universe
2. Acknowledgement of Psi
3. Is there some higher, karmic purpose, then let it be called Spirituality

All three give us a chance to look at human nature from three reduced perspectives, and these three categories are unique enough that I rarely see any redundancy when peering purely from each. For now, human nature, per se, is the silver tie that binds.

The secret insight I receive comes from considering human nature in each model separately, as if there is no other perspective (the purpose of non-hybrid models). After noticing human nature and its motives from each perspective, I have combined the total impression to understand what we gain when we face human nature outside of fear and why doing this is important in the continued process of integrating our own nature and consequently our experiences throughout our entire life.

We can be co-creators of the worst savagery and through our psychic ability see this with blinding, unblissful self-honesty.

I am still learning that one of the main earthly purposes for Psi is to give us a chance for quantum moments of superconscious self-illumination through facing the extremes of our (human) nature and Psi lets that happen beyond the reason of doubt in spite of our conscious filters.

Now, I have observed that humans can barely integrate sexual deviancy, because it suggests that we are yet submissive to our primal, uncivilized urges.

The triune model suggests that I observe my own reaction to sexual deviancy, for example, as an individual, and then watch how others react too. Finally I see how my own judgement is impacted by the collective through how we interact as a result.

a. Action: Creation through Human Nature

b. Reaction: Effect Through Law of Action/Reaction Perceived through the individual and the collective

c. Interaction: Group Integration through Psi

Notice that Action is the root word for each process, which basic Human Creation.

It is the reaction that seems to justify the issues and actions we empower on earth, by the way we perpetuate experiences. It is not good to try and evolve beyond the masses. It is better to play a role in mass evolution. We all need to grow together.

Question: Does that seem a valid thesis or postulate to test?

What do you think?

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Bryan said Dec 7, 2007, 11:29 AM:

Xia!

You are very wise! I love the way you expound on your ideas – so clearly – and those ideas have a strong instructional value. You should be writing a book (the psychic in me), and at some point work with kids on a variety of levels for a variety of therapeutic purposes including artistic expression.

You appear young in your photo, Xia. I know who you are, and it is good to connect in familiar surroundings.

Looking forward to connecting more with you in and around and everywhere:))!

Yours,

Bryan (You're cool)

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Xia said Feb 16, 2008, 5:47 PM:

Bryan ~ I have just seen your post today for the first time. Thank you for your kind and encouraging words. I have, in fact, written several books (having published one thus far) and I do work with children (including homeschooling my five) and only wish to continue down that line.
I also agree about connecting more and in familiar surroundings!
Warmly,
Xia

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Bryan said Feb 17, 2008, 8:43 AM:

Xia: Yeeees! Riiiight!

Keep up the good work!

Bryan

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ronald33 said Jan 18, 2008, 10:50 AM:

I basically want to see the use of psychic counselling regulated,somehow.

In the Seventies, I was very lucky to have been able to get a reading by the late Dutchman,

PETER HURKOS. It cost me $200,but he told me non-obvious things that a fake could

not have….encompassing clairvoyance and the “like attracts like” principles of Harold

Sherman….which I was not aware of at the time…..and he was registered with the

Better Business Bureau! Though my life story's not finished yet,several HURKOS pre-

dictions came to pass….mentioning things that only I knew about…..and some of them

occurred in an unusual way…..with a lot of synchronicity involved!

I side with HOUDINI….Today's “psychics” are largely fakes…operating out of a storefront

window….Or,bilking the rich and famous…for example,telling an actresss that “she'll find

love on a movie set” or a ditch digger that “he'll find love in a ditch”. When a client is told

something that's too obvious,or merely what they want to hear (rather than the truth),that

should be outlawed. If they were licensed/bonded like HURKOS,then that would be a

brake against fakery. Desparate (or gullible) people are easy targets for fake psychics!

There has to be a balance so that legitimate seers can practice,but screen out fakes.

The world has made some progress…so, I don't see society going as far back as the “burn-

witches” phase. And, I am anti-psychiatry…..that's a pseudo-science that also ought to be

outlawed. Suppressing natural human psi is wrong as well. I am quite sure that most

human beings have innate psi ability,but it's discouraged by society. Except when it's

a clever “hunch” leading to a successful business….but,that's just a small use of psi!

Due to the existance of free will—I am not religious and belong to no church—-the future can

be changed. With a complex situation,that requires special knowledge.

People in problematical situations want answers. It's important that they get the

right answers! And sometimes,that must be had by means of so-called “miracles”.

Or what seems to be a miracle,to the layman.

This is a difficult issue,because the acceptance of psi by society,will mean challenging—

and changing–such paradigms/power structures as religion,politics,psychiatry,etc.

But the karma of change can't be held back…We need more people like PETER HURKOS.

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Stacey said Feb 15, 2008, 11:10 AM:

As far as regulating PSI is concerned in my opinion that's an impossibility. It should be up to the individual to use a reliable “reader” found either through referrals or reputation. And as far as cost goes, if you're someone who doesn't want to spend large amounts of money there are many Psi individuals who still have good rates or might even do trade out, some will simply take donations.

Bottom line; each person needs to use their brain or their own intuition, take responsibility for the choices they make, re: this issue or any other. Do the research. And that goes for all professional service, Psychics, doctors, dentists…. you get the drift!

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a.k.a. Biff Cummings said Feb 16, 2008, 10:10 AM:

You know, Ronald, I like the spirit behind your post. Your a thoughtful guy with some life under his belt. I also absolutely agree that many intuitives today are misguided. But there are many, many good ones, too. And for my money, you'll find some on Jeff Mishlove's pod. By the looks of it, three of the people in this discussion do have their heads screwed-on exactly right.

I met Stephany Hurkos for the first time this weekend past. And, although she's not Peter, I liked her because seemed genuine. There must have been something he saw in her, because a man's relationships with his people hardly get closer than his wife. But, attitudes and approaches change over time, of course. People get born, have lives and move on. But their legacy's remain in their work and children.

And, at the same time, I truly doubt there could be, in the near future, any remotely-workable sort of regulatory body for intuitives. That's my value judgement based on half-a-life's experience with well-intentioned regulation. That a group of bureaucrats, like county clerks, or or government personnel officers, would have the experience and sense to know how to govern an intuitive's practice, is absolutely beyond my considerable imagination. Sense doesn't exist in a world such as theirs. Only an interest in following whatever rules were given them without question. I wouldn't even trust someone with the good intentions of an elementary school teacher with regulating intuitive abilities.

And I'm one of many thousands who would vote that way. So I would suggest an approach more like what Stacey suggests. Because at this point in time, psi is anything but scientific in a sense like Western medicine or law. And developing a set of rules for such a thing will take centuries.