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99th Monkeydianebardwellmasters said Oct 20, 2008, 1:18 PM: |
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I'd like to introduce a book that Robert and I enjoyed very much. It's by Eliezer Sobel, who is in our Facebook group and I need to invite him to this great Gaia group. The title is The 99th Monkey: A Spiritual Journalist's Misadventures with Gurus, Messiahs, Sex, Psychedelics and Other Consciousness-Raising Adventures. |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 20, 2008, 1:56 PM: |
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That book sounds great, Diane! Thanks for the recommendation - here is a direct link to the order page for people who like to buy a copy. |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 20, 2008, 2:00 PM: |
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My eyes! I'm still recovering from that horrible web site. The book does sound good, though, and I find myself very curious about a book that can make you both laugh out loud. Liz
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Re: 99th Monkeydianebardwellmasters said Oct 20, 2008, 2:59 PM: |
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I think it's the yellow background that is a bit much. the book colors are actually very pretty 'in person'. I was actually weeping, I was laughing so hard in some parts - maybe reading it out loud made it funnier - while Robert was lying on his back, helplessly laughing…….who knows? maybe it was stress relief after a holding a very intense workshop, but I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy it too! |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 20, 2008, 3:46 PM: |
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Hmm…perhaps we should bring it to the practicum. |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 20, 2008, 4:28 PM: |
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Great idea! We'll need some Rolling on the Floor Laughing during the Practicum, for sure. But already the book has been built up way too much and is bound to be a let-down. Therefore, my new assumption is that the book totally sucks, and consequently if it elicits so much as a wry chuckle it will exceed my expectations. |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 21, 2008, 3:13 PM: |
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The intro on the web site made me laugh, and I'm about to go away for a week, so I have a copy coming to take with me. i was wondering what to take for reading, so thanks:-) |
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 22, 2008, 3:45 AM: |
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Hi everyone! Diane just let me know this conversation about my book was going on and invited me to join you here. I'm really appreciative of her generous “plug”–I am currently on a book tour the anticipation of which launched an intense and sustained panic and anxiety attack at first, but now, after 10 of them, I have relaxed (albeit with a little help from xanax) and I am attempting to have my appearances be about something more than me selling a book, wishing to generate a meaningful evening for those who come, independent of whether they buy a book. And it's starting to happen. Although I lead with humor, both in person and in the book, I'd like to also mention that the feedback I'm getting from people indicates that there is a deeper aspect to the book as well. I did a video-chat with Ram Dass recently (he's available for “heart-to-hearts” to anyone who wishes to sign up for one on ramdass.org, if you're a member.) He told me that “to do a book tour identified as the ego is a pain in the ass, but to do it remembering that your a soul, and that whoever shows up to hear you speak is a soul, something real can take place.” So I'm doing my best to work with that. Many thanks and appreciation to those who choose to read the book, and I'd love to hear from you, here or at eliezering@mac.com Best, Eliezer (P.S. “Horrible web site?” Hey listen, I'm just a techno-limited guy with iWeb trying to figure out how to do it! But I'll soften the yellow for you DIane!)
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 22, 2008, 11:05 AM: |
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I'm psyched that you're here, Eliezer, in spite of you being web-challenged. Look, I teach this stuff, so I'm just a bit more critical than most. But yeah, changing the yellow would be a start. (I might be able to get you a student willing to revamp it if you're interested) We're looking at your schedule and I'm not sure we'll get to see you on this tour. We're going to try. Liz
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Re: 99th MonkeyGina said Oct 22, 2008, 8:48 AM: |
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Hi Eliezer, |
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Re: 99th Monkeyarpita said Oct 22, 2008, 10:29 PM: |
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hi .Eliezer!! |
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 22, 2008, 12:01 PM: |
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That would be great to meet you guys, if it's possible. I first met Robert at one of his workshops in the early 90s, and then not again until a few years ago when I did a few sessions with him at his home in Vancouver, helping me a through a time of great fear that I knew he would “get.” I have yet to meet Diane in person, but feel like I know her through her wonderful music and loving support. But to the point: is the lime-green any better, ya think? (on www.the99thmonkey.com) E.
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 22, 2008, 12:11 PM: |
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NO. Are you actually trying to induce flashbacks? (Sigh)…Sorry. Neon: good for the book. Bad for a website. I'm serious about you needing help with it. A good website can make all the difference if someone is on the point of purchasing something. Yours is-shall we say-it doesn't inspire confidence. It's one of those things, like clothing, that really doesn't mean much about the person inside, but people use it as a shortcut to get the gist of things. I'd be happy to put you in touch with someone who'd design a site for you, or you could go out there and find someone. I think it's very much worth the investment. Like buying a suit for an interview. Liz |
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 22, 2008, 1:44 PM: |
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Last time I shopped around for a web designer I was quoted $6000… |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 22, 2008, 1:48 PM: |
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Yeah, I know. That's why I'm thinking one of my students might be the ticket. I also know someone who does some really top-notch work. I can ask around. Liz
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 22, 2008, 1:56 PM: |
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Oh, and there's one thing you can do right away. Put a button on every page to buy the book. Don't make anyone look for it. It should be on the very first page, without scrolling down. It doesn't have to be garish, but hey, it's ok to sell your book! That's what people want to find. Liz
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 22, 2008, 2:22 PM: |
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P.S. Can I offer you something in turquoise? |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 22, 2008, 6:47 PM: |
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Hey Eliezer, |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 23, 2008, 11:35 AM: |
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Eliezer, I just wrote something promoting your book and posted it here, here, and here. |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 23, 2008, 6:07 PM: |
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In a parallel thread (in a parallel universe) Gina added a link to an article detailing the untruth of the 100th monkey theory (which Sobel himself acknowledges in his prologue). I was aware of the untruthiness of the 100th monkey theory, but not in such detail…thanks, Gina! :) |
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99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 23, 2008, 10:59 PM: |
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Thanks Arthur–that was incredibly generous of you–I'm very grateful for your kindness and support–love, Eliezer |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 24, 2008, 11:26 AM: |
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Eliezer: Thanks Arthur–that was incredibly generous of you–I'm very grateful for your kindness and support–love, Eliezer |
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 23, 2008, 10:55 PM: |
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Lyall Watson himself, the scientist who first brought forth the 100th Monkey idea, and who died last spring, was challenged at one point about its truthfulness and he replied, “Well, even if I DID make it up, it's still a great idea!” |
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Re: 99th MonkeyJuliee said Oct 23, 2008, 11:19 PM: |
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Hi Eliezer |
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Re: 99th Monkeymaryw said Oct 24, 2008, 3:27 AM: |
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Looks like I just ordered the last Amazon copy! |
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Re: 99th MonkeyJane said Oct 24, 2008, 4:52 AM: |
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I tried to order that copy, but they were going to charge $21.50 just to mail it here….. dangit….maybe I'll come down to SoCal and read it at your place Mary! Jane
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Re: 99th Monkeymaryw said Oct 24, 2008, 1:14 PM: |
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Jane, |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 24, 2008, 8:09 AM: |
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maryw: Looks like I just ordered the last Amazon copy! |
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Re: 99th Monkeydianebardwellmasters said Oct 24, 2008, 9:16 AM: |
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sorry I didn't know about the book tour sooner - I let Arthur know the day I happened to spot it on Facebook, but unfortunately it was already underway. I'm glad people are getting turned on to the book, though. Thanks, Arthur, for being so thorough with connecting people to it! |
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Re: 99th Monkeymaryw said Oct 24, 2008, 12:48 PM: |
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Arthur: No way - I just went to Amazon and they still have copies :-) |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 25, 2008, 7:17 AM: |
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Well, Amazon UK had it in stock, my copy arrived this morning. I'm about to go away for a week, so it's coming with me. Oh dear, strangers always give me funny looks when I laugh out loud at books, this might get me in trouble:-) |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 25, 2008, 9:23 AM: |
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The 99th Monkey is not just for humans anymore! As you can see, lately it has been making inroads among other primates: |
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Oct 28, 2008, 10:25 AM: |
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I'm really digging Eliezer's account of the long, strange spiritual journey he's been on, very entertaining stuff. One thing that is missing from this book, though, is a good back-of-book index. Actually, make that any index whatsoever, a bizarre oversight in my opinion – but then, I'm probably biased, since I write back-of-book indexes – e.g. a couple of R.A.M.'s books plus the recently-published Integral Life Practice. |
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Re: 99th MonkeyLiz said Oct 28, 2008, 11:36 AM: |
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Wow, that picture actually looks very much like Arthur when he's miffed. Talk about monkeymind.
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Re: 99th MonkeyEliezer said Oct 31, 2008, 12:02 AM: |
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Hey Everyone! Being on the road I'm a little slow on the uptake and didn't realize this conversation was still going on! Sorry about the lack of index, I'll send your comments to my publisher. Meanwhile, had a whacky appearance in San Diego in which one women asked me to comment on what I thought of the probability that the Rockefellers were behind the Rajneesh movemment (stumped me on that one) and a guy asked me to if I planned to attend the Melchizadek Gathering for the Human Ascension, to which I responded, “No, but please let me know how it turns out.” Currently in Sedona, off to Santa Fe and Taos next, then Boulder and Vail, then home after 7 weeks to crawl into a fetal position and tackle Robert's intimacy book that I've been resisting,,,, love, Eliezer
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Nov 2, 2008, 4:59 PM: |
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Eliezer, in addition to the humor in the 99th Monkey, I appreciate the candor of your reportage. It's certainly not all sweetness and light in these spiritual circles, is it? (“spiritual circle-jerks” sometimes seems a more appropriate term.) Sadly, at our last meeting, in a restaurant, Michael confessed, in a sober moment, that despite all the workshops and seminars that he had taken as a participant and that he had lead himself, and despite all the people whose lives and hearts he had touched with great love and humor, and who treasured him dearly, the real truth of the matter, he said, was that he had never been truly happy his whole life. Soon after that lunch I learned of his death. [at the tragically young age of 55] - Eliezer Sobel, The 99th Monkey That is so sad, and it reminds me of the revelations a while back of Mother Teresa's decades-long dark night of the soul. One thought I had was, “Well, what's the fucking point of doing all this work on myself if could still be miserable?” On the other hand, it's inspiring that he helped others so much, even though he himself was not happy. Thanks, by the way, for the funny update on the San Diego stop on your tour; good luck with the rest of it! cheers, Arthur |
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Re: 99th MonkeyTely said Nov 2, 2008, 6:34 PM: |
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Don't throw in the towel, Arthur! One way to think about it is that happiness is on a continuum, rather than an all-or-nothing state. So maybe he hadn't been truly happy his whole life, but maybe the work he did helped him more happy/less miserable than if he hadn't done it. |
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Re: 99th MonkeyJane said Dec 12, 2008, 8:06 PM: |
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Eliezer, thanks for the really interesting book! For me it was a lot more serious than you let on……some of it was funny, but really, you have done an admirable exploration of so many of the self-help workshops and enlightenment programs. I love how you have talked about the highs of all of them, and the come-downs too. If I had had a trust fund with a bit of latitude, I might well have been truddling along on this path too……. I love how curious you have been, and how honest. It is amazing how these workshops can have an amazing sense of connection and awakening. Some years ago, I went to Haven-by-the-Sea in Gabriola Island for a bodywork, train the trainer intensive and it was amazing to look back it now. It was not long after my sister had died, and in the midst of a crumbling relationship with my then-partner. There was a question on the black board. “What are you most frightened that we will ask you to do?” And we began with all sorts of exercises with touch and body posturing…… and it took me almost no time to lose all of my outward trappings….. I realized that I had my own intention. I could be asked to do anything…. and I was free to agree or not….. I had freedom and choice. After a couple of days, I took a break from the workshop, gave all my clothes and luggage to the free store except for a small day pack, and began wandering the island in this state of absolute exhilaration. In the room I rented, was a guide book “to Magical Gabriola Island”….spiders dropped down from trees and every person was a perfect incarnation of the divine, emanating beauty and love. Life was amazing…I could put a plastic card into a steel machine and money spew out….I could eat these amazing foods from all over the world that had arrived at the this local store…Amazing people showed up and guided me around, to the petroglyphs to burial island, to the clams deep in the black night shore……I could raise my hand and a car would stop and drive me somewhere…. I was totally enchanted…. totally enchanted. From a DSM-IV perspective, I was in the midst of a psychotic manic break, and I had studied these and treated them enough before to know what this looked like to everybody on the outside…. but oh, oh, I had never been 'inside' one before…..I had never seen this beauty, so close, with the bubble gone, the real thing, breathing with me in and of me, as me….and then the synchronicities started happening, real things out there, that I could not possible be imagining, verifiable non-delusions of magical porportions….And all the same, I could not explain what was happening in a way that was understandable to anyone…… I was blown around in this awesome swirl…..no ground in sight…… I was very grateful later for Stan Grof's The Stormy Search for the Self, and also Jack Kornfield's After the Ecstacy the Laundry….. I did sober up in time, forever changed, and also wistful of that incredible place– always right here and right now, even when I am so sleepy and dense and forgetful….. It is such a fine line between the madman and the mystic……..such a mystery. and as my mother has often said, “it nothing you can hang your hat on!” Thanks for the great read…. and don't be too humble….. the 99th monkey is quite a fabulous mythological creature when you really think about it! Jane
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Re: 99th Monkeyadastra said Dec 15, 2008, 8:47 AM: |
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Jane: thanks for the really interesting book! For me it was a lot more serious than you let on… Back during the Esalen years, I went through my “inner Nazi” period. To my utter horror, I discovered “the Hitler within,” and scared myself to death. Usually fueled by drugs, I came directly into contact with my own potential for evil and a sense of terror and dark foreboding that came with it. ~~~ |
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