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&lt;p&gt;      very cool debate on the (im)possibility of machine consciousness...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D6143"&gt;&lt;span class="title"&gt;Gelernter, Kurzweil debate machine consciousness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; KurzweilAI.net,  Nov. 30, 2006&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D6126" target="_top"&gt;debate&lt;/a&gt; between Yale professor of &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Computer Science&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Computer Science')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;computer science&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Gelernter, David&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Gelernter, David')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;David Gelernter&lt;/a&gt; and Ray Kurzweil, sponsored by the MIT &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Computer Science&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Computer Science')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;Computer Science&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Artificial intelligence (AI)&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Artificial intelligence (AI)')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;Artificial Intelligence&lt;/a&gt; Laboratory, is now &lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/webcast/csail/2006/mit-csail-kurzweil-32123-30nov2006-220k.ram" target="_blank"&gt;available for viewing&lt;/a&gt; (RealPlayer 8 or later required--&lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/smcs/help/realhelp.htm" target="_blank"&gt;help here&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src="http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/images/gelernter.jpg" alt="" /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The debate focused on the feasibility of building a conscious &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Computer&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Computer')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;computer&lt;/a&gt; on a &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Digital&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Digital')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;digital&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Substrate&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Substrate')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;substrate&lt;/a&gt;. Gelernter argued that the chemical makeup of the &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Brain&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Brain')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;brain&lt;/a&gt; and the body itself are essential in creating &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Consciousness&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Consciousness')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;consciousness&lt;/a&gt; and that &amp;quot;there is no a priori &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Reason&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Reason')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;reason&lt;/a&gt; for accepting that we can achieve &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Consciousness&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Consciousness')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;consciousness&lt;/a&gt; in anything but a living &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Organism&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Organism')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;organism&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src="http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/images/kurzweil.jpg" alt="" /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Kurzweil countered that we are in fact making exponential &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Progress&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Progress')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;progress&lt;/a&gt; in modeling the &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Human&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Human')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;human&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Brain&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Brain')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;brain&lt;/a&gt; and that some of its functions have been modeled with remarkable precision. &amp;quot;Within a quarter century, we will have detailed models and simulations of the &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Brain&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Brain')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;brain&lt;/a&gt; and we won&amp;#39;t be able to tell them apart,&amp;quot; he said. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; They agreed that ultimately, the issue involves philosophical assumptions about the meaning of &amp;quot;&lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Consciousness&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Consciousness')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;consciousness&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; A talk by B. Jack Copeland on &amp;quot;&lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Turing, Alan&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Turing, Alan')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;Alan Turing&lt;/a&gt;, Codebreaker and &lt;a href="javascript:loadBrain(&amp;#39;Artificial intelligence (AI)&amp;#39;)" class="thought" onmouseover="playBrain('Artificial intelligence (AI)')" onmouseout="stopBrain()"&gt;Artificial Intelligence&lt;/a&gt; Pioneer&amp;quot; follows the debate on the webcast.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Also see: &lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/creativity.html" target="_blank"&gt;MIT press release&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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