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OM,

I thought I would send this to you as some of the things you post describe many of the things I am experiencing, though you seem to be having an easier time with it.  I have this memory of a pre-existence.  I am afraid if I post about it, folks will really think I am nutso.  I know, we are all going through A TIME.  Does it make sense to put it that way?  The thing is, this memory may be helpful.  I don't have a complete memory of the whole thing.  Just bits and pieces.  I figure if I remember this one thing in more detail than the rest, it means something.  I wanted to see what you thought before I posted it.  I don't want people to start thinking that because I have this memory, or for anyone to think that I think that because I have this memory, I am some kind of high priestess or have special knowledge that can guide anyone.  I am struggling really hard with this.  Before I get to the memory though, can you tell me if it feels, especially at night, as if you are getting a “download” of some sort into your mind?  Like information is being placed in there even though you can't reach it?  This is the best way to describe it. 

Okay, to the memory.  I remember, and have had it pop into my mind on and off since I was a child, where I was “floating” in front of God.  I was asking to come here to be, or be with, me, the human that I am.  As part of this, I had to convince him that I was ready.  “He” was sitting on a throne with a council of elders standing in a semi-circle around the front and surrounding me.  I remember that those on his right has special signifigance and that they were particularly wise.  Three elders were standing directly behind me, with me, they had stepped out from the right as they had been called in by Him to speak along with me.  One in particular spoke to Him about my training exercises.  One exercise, and this is the thing I was going to post, was one that was intended to help in reserving judgment regarding circumstances met while here.  As we, the elder and I went through describing the exercises, I was placed again in the time of performing them.  This one was a method of walking to allow oneself to separate from the circumstances of life and be lifted into “heaven's gate” as I walked.  Attention was to be paid to the placement of the feet. 

Well, I have, on and off, had this thought come to me when I have difficulty meditating, that I am intended to do a “walking meditation”.  But, I never tried to do it purposefully.  With all that I have been experiencing, I thought I would look it up as my previous view of it was that it just meant going through life's activities with one's mind on the spirit.  So, it occured to me that I may be wrong, and this memory of this exercise came flooding back to me.  I looked it up on the Net.  Guess what?  There is a walking meditation practice that monks use and it centers on concentration on the placement of the foot.  Then, I remember that as a child, when walking home from school, I would just automatically “go there' begin this practice without even thinking about it. 

So, I thought that posting it for others may be of help in these TIMES.  I am sorry I keep capitalizing the word “times”.  Something just says it should be capitalized.  So, do you think I should post it with or without the information regarding me memory?  I thought if I gave the information, it might add value to the practice.  But, I am afraid to share the memory. 

Also, the last thing that I said to convince Him to let me come was that I thought it would be easy because all I had to do was remember my “friends” there, how deeply I was loved, and to just “Be”.  What are your thoughts on how karma would effect the ability to just hang out and just “Be” on all of this?  I mean, I have had a human life that did not always include actively acting on this “hidden understanding” inside of me.  God told me this would be very hard and I might not remember enough to be able to call in my “friends” for help.  Please don't think that I am nuts. 

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Honey, please do get over this “think I am nuts” thing. Every single one of us has experiences and memories like this, and it distresses me that we go around thinking the others will think we are nuts if we share. 

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Nothing is 'punishment'…Everything is Experience.
:)
{Hugs All}

Fantastic response, OM…on many, many levels~~<3

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Thank you for your replies.  I guess I use the word “nuts” because it feels that way.  It is almost as if I can hear it flowing in, but don't hear it.  It goes on all day, but I guess I pay more attention to it at night when I try to sleep.  Boy I wish I could do 3D graphics so that I could depict it and have sound with it.  It is something I hear but not with my ears. 

I wish I could explain the whole of that memory.  I may have posted it before and just don't remember doing it.  It seems more real to me today than it did then.  Now, it feels very active.  I hope that the other memories of the exercises become clearer to me in time.  Because as I was explaining them to Him, I was reliving them. 

As far as the throne thing and it being God.  Well, that is very definately part of the memory.  It was God.  Now I know there are all kinds of ways that folks look at the higher being and us and how it all works.  All of these ways are a valid part of the ALL.  It is that this BEING was GOD.  He had a form, though I only remember his legs, arms, and hands.  It was up to Him to determine if I could come here, not me.  I was making a case for coming here and explaining why I would be okay.  He had His doubts.  The elders that stood behind me believed it would be difficult for me, but agreed that I would be okay.  Okay, I have learned, is very relative in terms of what is okay on the other side and what is okay in the material world.  I was told I was to go before the Father and give my petition.  Then, I was before the Father and was nervous because I wanted Him to see that I had progressed and was ready to use what I had learned.  It was like getting an A in my growth sort ot speak without the whole pass fail type thing.  It wasn't ego.  It is hard to explain.  It was being deemed ready to give.  I wanted to give. 

A friend of mine that I repeated the memory to, told me to look up Council in Revelations.  I did and what is described there is very much like what I saw. 

I am going to post the walking meditation thing as I think it is something not a number of folks know about and it could be something that helps a number of folks.  I think it is for this TIME.  This is the thing about time too.  When I was a kid, I was sitting in class one day and a voice told me that there is no such thing as time, that it was a construct.  I was in the sixth grade.  I just wish I could be zipped away Home.


Blessings

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Hello girls,

Nice discussion. I wanted to weigh in about the walking meditation. I discovered a few years ago this practice. The way it was taught to me was to place one's attention into the feet. We can start slowly, focusing our attention on the feet, legs and so on.

I actually never really enjoyed this kind of meditation.

But recently, I was told a similar walking meditation, that just blew my mind. You do the same, but you place your hands crossed on your belly. You then imagine that there's a string that goes from your belly up to a point at some distance of you. Then you imagine that you are being pulled from that string. It's as if you walk from the belly and that you are simply being pulled. Here, attention is place mainly on the sensation and the breathing on the belly (2nd chakra, or Harra). The rest is the same: when a thought arises, you just go back to the sensation in the belly.

That second walking meditation is 100% fruitful for me. The other one, with the attention on the feet, I do not enjoy.

It's certainly all a matter of body structure and what we need at the moment.

I just thought I shared that way of doing it. It's of course not for you Opening, as you seem to have a spontaneous way of doing it. Amazing!

Hugs to all of you, nutso!! Héhé!

Patrickonutso,

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Hi,

I wanted to get back to you regarding the God thing.  Remember there was a discussion on the board about hierarchies?  Well, how it works, at least with the info I have been fed, isn't so much that there are hierarchies.  There is what I would call a placement thing.  So many different types of energies are needed to keep things moving towards the ultimate whatever it is to be, which is never ending, but is progressing.  So, energies differ depending on the belief system they, humans, work under.  Therefore, different understandings are fed to folks depending on their assignment.  There is no ultimate TRUTH because everyting is always evolving–progressing.  There is the One, the Whole, and everything works towards the most positive outcome for the Whole.  From whereever it was I came from, I was needed to add the energy of God's love and was given an understanding of what that love means.  Therefore, I ended up being a Christian.  However, because of the understanding I was given, I know that the traditional Christian view is not wholly accurate and that there is a desire within that community not to accept anything that encourages individual idealism related to the nature of God or the universe.  So, from time to time, I am lead to speak with people within that community that are intended to open themselves up so that the energy that I derive from can be placed within them as well.  Does this make sense?  However, that is not to say that the “old time” religious ideas are incorrect or not needed.  I will give you an example.  In the Garden of Eden, man ate from the tree of knowledge and this is what supposedly opened man up to sin.  However, had he not, man would be like a pet in a garden.  He would not have evolved had he not had a choice to make.  So, the old timers hold their energy on the planet to allow others to have something to move or expand upon.  It is all about choice and progress.

Now, Buddist allow man to see himself on a higher plane of existence for instance.  They have no need for an intelligent God that speaks to us and makes things happen in our lives.  This energy is needed as well.  So, for them, there is no God as their is for someone like me who is of the Christian energy group.  This is not incorrect because this energy is needed as well and is necessary to the progress.  Now, what it all means in terms of where we are in the grand scheme of things, I can't say.  There are others of many persuasions that may have this knowledge.  It wasn't given to me.  Maybe it will be one day, if it is necessary to my progress so that that energy can come from me to the Greater Consciousness on Earth.  Right now, it isn't there.

My main problem is related to applying and understanding how all of this pertains and gets us through day to day life and the circumstances I find myself in.  Understanding how it is that I can have this energy of understanding and still be in the mess I am in mymaterial world  life.  It hurts.  

That is why I asked about karma.  I agree there is not judgment except those that I make.  I was once given a poem from one of my guides that stressed to me how important self love is.  It was taken from me by someone when I was in college.  I worked really hard on developing myself so that I could come to respect and love myself despite a childhood where I was not treated as being very important to anyone.  My father was an exception to this but he was abusive.  I achieved a great deal and then it all went away.  I am now between a rock and a hard place, as people say, trying to understand why and how to move the rock and push the hard place away and move into a place of security.  It is a daunting task. 

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Thanks for joining in, Patrick and Ariela!! Enjoyed your contributions.

We are just getting warmed up. This is a long conversation !!! Will let you all know when we're done with posting the correspondence and then we'll be more open for chatting and responding. 

Blessings, OM 

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Hi Opening, I haven't responded to your last letter, I think, but I am responding briefly here to your present email, and will get to the previous one later, hope that's OK.

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First I want to say that I am enjoying our conversation.  Also, I am not tied to the original sin thingy.  I see it as a way of communicating on a very simple level what occured way back then wtih man.  I wasn't there as far as I can remember.Although  I do also have a memory of being a spot of light that was moving around going here and there based on what I wanted to see and experience.  So, I can't say if there was an Adam and Eve or a snake, etc.  However, something did happen.  What I see it as was FEAR.  Maybe that is why I have such a hard grip on it.  Of course, Fear is making a judgment.  Also, you have to remember, those of us in the community aren't really from here.  So, the history of the development of man's soul, conciousness, etc, is not completely related to us.  This is why there is such a huge gap and difficulty in communication. 

I was thinking about this and I want to use a really corny analogy–the movie the Matrix.  Remember when Mr. Smith was going on and on about how he hated humanity, they stank, they were like a virus, etc?  Well, in many ways, Mr. Smith was right.  Well, Neo was not able to fully just “Be” until he just ignored the limitations he beleived existed, ignored the definitions he had been given regarding man.   I understand this. 

However, if you drop down beings from a higher vibration or level of understanding into a “pit” of chaos such as we have here on Earth (yeah, I know that is a judgment) where no one sees things from their level of understanding and everyone they come in contact with is saying that to see things any other way is insanity or sinful, what are you going to come up with?  Fear!  I remember sitting in church with one of my aunts at an Easter service, I think it was, and I turned and asked her why folks were crying and sad about Jesus' death when he was right outside.  I could see him in the sky when I looked out the window.  I could feel his love around me.  For me, he was, he is very much alive.  So, as a kid I was thinking, these folks are just crying to be crying and they think their crying is a holy thing when really there is nothing to cry about.  So, the child's conclusion was that adults, humans, cry over nothing and see it as great, even holy, that they do so. 

Now, as for the huge judgment I made.  I don't see Earth as really a pit. One thing I also remember is that I wanted to come back here because I thought it was truly beautiful–all of it, the push and pull, the choices, nature, the love, the chance to truly experience God's grace.  However, it is if you want to see it as a pit.  However, really it is a dance.  It is a chance to zoom beyond the seen and bring the unseen in for me and for others.  I just am having a hard time integrating it all into my human frame of reference and being. 

Remembering that is the key to progress for us Starseeds or whatever we are.  That is why we are here.  To help them and to progress ourselves.  I have this huge temper.  I get so darn mad at stupidity.  Then, I get fearful of it.  Fearful in terms of where it will lead mankind and me in particular.  There is a great deal of stupidity going around.  Just look at politics, which I have been strictly informed to stay away from due to the temper thing and the fact that it wont solve anything, calling a healthcare plan evil and telling lies about what it will mean to Americans?  I mean, come on. 

So, I fear how I will end up when I am surrounded by so much stupidity.  I am putting too much powier into the hands of the material world and not enough in my own. 

Yes, our conversations are helping immensly.  I can, after the last two days of communicating with you, feel my higher self is more integrated into my Being than it was say two weeks ago.  I may just make that great leap.  I appreciate your kindness and appreciate your intelligence and insight. 

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You know what?  I remembered something.  Your message about the Garden of Eden brought it up.  I was told that it was of vital importance to withhold all judgment.  All judgment, people, places, circumstances, things, etc.  All judgment.  Fear drives us to judge.  I gotta get a better handle on the difference between discernment and judgment.  I think that there is a difference. 

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And then I said:

Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to your email just before this last one, but let me say a bit about judgment. What you were told sounds right to me.

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And then she said:

Thank you for giving me those definitions. They rang very true with me.  In fact, I felt a level of peace come over me when I read them. 

Have you ever thought of yourself as a gateway?  To do this is to endanger invoking the ego.  However, I think that you are a gateway, at least for me.  Gee, I know that sounds wierd.  But, you are helping me to sharpen my awareness of the understanding that I have already been given, that I came here with.  I can lay my fingers upon it again because you provide the words for me.  THE WORD.  This is the “Let him who has eyes see.  Let him who has ears hear” in action.  I think you so much.

I have this friend on another site that says the same things as you in terms of God healing us through the download thing you and I were speaking about.  She is going through it as well and she described its purpose as being to heal and clean out wrong thinking for her.   Then, a few days later I ask you about what I am experiencing and I get the same explanation as she gave for what is going on for herself.  She is in Germany.  Something is most definately a foot on Earth. 

I had a wonderful experience this morning which I cannot really describe.    You helped me to open to that.  Thank you.  You are one of my angels.

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And then I said:

Wow, cool. I love seeing these global patterns!!! Isn't it so reassuring when people are going through the same things at the same time!!!

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Hello Om and Opening, I have enjoyed reading your conversation.  Thank you for sharing it.

Opening, I understand what you're moving through.  Shortly after a NDE at the age of nineteen, a series of dreams unfolded over a three month period that foretold the next fifteen years of my life.  At the time, it was really confusing and caused me great difficulties.  Of course, hindsight shows me that this was 'on purpose'.

OM, I humbly praise your discussion regarding 'judgment'.  I think it will be a gift for those who read it.  And Opening, to be 'without judgment', is such a gift.  When judgment enters my mind he brings him his entourage of pain, suffering and misery.  

In my own work, I often help people identify their own demands, judgments and expectations as they are at the root of our suffering.  This may ring a bell for you Om, it's very similar to what you said.

A judgment sounds like… he is, she is, you are, it is. 
A demand sounds like …I want
An expectation sounds like …he should, you should, I should, it should.

In practice, when a person is emotionally upset about a person, place, situation or condition they are mentally holding on to a series of unmet demands, judgments and expections. 

For example, let's say that I'm angry at Hermann because he betrayed my trust.

That's my judgment.

My expectation was that he shouldn't have.

My demand is that I don't want him to ever do that again.

My judgment is that I'm afraid that he will.  

My expectation is that I shouldn't have to be afraid.

My demand is that I don't want to be afraid.

And on and on it goes.

On the other hand, if I refrain from making judgments, the story never unfolds.

Om, I also enjoyed the 'Cosmic Essence' comments.  I too have found the same thing.  Each of us resonates a specific quality or value that is both our essential nature and our greatest gift.  When one connects with his or her 'Cosmic Essence' they tap into unlimited abundance!

Thank you both.  And Opening, I look forward to reading about the walking meditation.

Be well.

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Bob, thank you so much!
Here is the next installment:
I have re-read a number of the posts and it was interesting to see how I keep revisiting the same issues over and over.  Not in the messages, but in life.  I get a hold of something and then I seem to forget I have “been there” and find myself repeating the lesson for myself.  The whole judgment and discernment and fear thing did not go away.  I am still wrestling with it.  Each time I do it seems like the first time. 

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Oh, thank you Opening, for adding that description! Love those first-person accounts.

It is a common pattern to “go in and out” of that realization of Oneness. The spiritual teacher Adyashanti talks a lot about that. The pattern is not due to any deficiency or laziness or error on the part of the human self. It's just a choice of the Oneness, of God.

 Have you looked at Centria's blog about her awakening experience? It's totally awesome. Not all sweetness and sugar, either! In that blog and her subsequent several, she's recounting her experiences as she goes in and out of full Awareness. 


I had a profound realization about God-realization or Full Awareness or whatever we want to call it, a realization unique to Starseeds, that I'd like to share here. I don't remember whether I have shared it before.


The timing of (let's call it for the sake of a name, here) enlightenment, and the pace and pattern of it, for Starseeds, is NOT particularly related to “spiritual attainment” by the particular embodiment. We've all come from civilizations in which everyone is by nature enlightened all the time, and many of us have “attained” or shall we say experienced enlightenment in a bunch of our past lives. That's really not the goal or focus or purpose of this particular lifetime we have now.


Our current embodiment's “enlightenment” timing, pace, etc. are IN SERVICE TO OUR MISSION. It is something we are doing as teachers, healers, leaders, builders, serving as examples, serving as way-showers, serving to create energetic pathways for others.


Thus, it would be good to stop all judging of ourselves as to whether we move in and out, whether we seem trapped in our old conditioning and programs etc. ALL THAT IS HAPPENING IN SERVICE TO THE MISSION, IN SERVICE TO HUMANITY, TO THIS PLANET and her flora and fauna. In other words, I say in the strongest possible terms, our process of awakening is NOT PERSONAL !!!! Don't take anything about it personally.


This is not to say that our current embodiment's experiences aren't adding to our Spirit's wisdom. We are all growing here, which is part of why we volunteered to be here doing all this. However, IMO our Spirit's growth isn't a matter of getting enlightened or not. Our Spirits are beyond that particular step in their evolution.


IMO some of the main “lessons” we are learning here is non-attachment to our mission. IOW, letting go of being rescuers. Letting go of attachment to outcome. Resolving some of our Spirit's longstanding questions about God, growth, suffering, etc. None of that is related to whether or not the embodiment is experiencing “enlightenment” at any given moment.


So, please, I passionately wish to convey to you all the sense of relief you could feel at fully realizing this viewpoint. Stop judging yourself !!!!!!!!!! It's based on a mistaken idea of what's going on, of what this lifetime is about!!!! 


Bob, loved your perspectives. I enjoyed your teasing about demands, judgments, and expectations, and I totally agree those are roots of suffering!!


I find that I'm not ready to give up all my should's and should not's, but I am finding that I am satisfied with rephrasing them in ways that are far less conducive to suffering.


Such as, let's say X lied to me. Instead of saying X shouldn't lie, X ought not to lie, I say


I'd be happier if X didn't lie to me.
The world would be a better place if people didn't lie to people.
I don't want to be lied to.
I don't like it, that X lied to me.


What do you think of that approach?


Blessings, OM

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Dear OM,
 
You wrote… “I'd be happier if X didn't lie to me.
The world would be a better place if people didn't lie to people.
I don't want to be lied to.
I don't like it, that X lied to me.

What do you think of that approach?”
 
I would employ the following five questions and then turn my thoughts around. 
 
1.  Is it true?
The first time I ask myself this question, my intent is to notice how much my mind is invested in being right about the statement.  It matters not whether you answer yes or no; simply notice your level of investment.
 
2.  Can I absolutely, positively know that this is true?
This time when I ask the question I ask from a spiritual point of view.  Think about it, 'do you have all the answers?'  Of course not.  No one has ALL the answers.  Thus, this questions asks me to make room in my mind for another point of view.  In other words, what I'm asking is, 'Could something else be just as true or truer?'
 
3.  How do I feel when I think this thought?
This question is pretty straight forward.  However, I would suggest that you record your answer(s) on paper and give it a good look.  Sometimes people are so invested in their painful thoughts that they mistakenly believe that it feels good to think them.  So look at your answer(s) and ask, is this really true? 
 
4.  How would I feel if I let go of this thought?
The reality is that as soon as I become willing to let go of 'my story' my mind and emotions are returned to peace.  That's because peace is our natural state before we overlay our stories.  Thus, when we become willing to let our stories go, we make room for peace to enter.
 
5.  Can I think of one good reason for not letting that thought go right now?
Sometimes people get to this question and decide 'yes' there is a good reason to hold on to my (painful) thought.  If you fall into this category, go through the process again with your 'yes' answers until you get to the underlying beliefs.  Throughout this process our intent is to simply bring our thoughts to the light of truth.  Thus, to the best of ones ability, be dispassionate in your inquiry.  This isn't about making something right or wrong, it's about gaining clarity.   
 
So let's look.
 
“I'd be happier if X didn't lie to me?”
 
Is it true?  It probably feels that way.  
 
Can I absolutely positively know that this is true?  Could something else be just as true or truer?   Sure, something else could be just as true or truer.
 
How do I feel when I think this thought?  Well, since it's really just a fancy way of saying that someone is a liar and I don't like (maybe even hate) being lied to, I feel angry, resentful and bad when I think this thought.
 
How would I feel if I let go of this thought?  I'd be at peace.
 
Can I think of one good reason for holding on to this thought any longer?  Hmmm, I feel kinda bad when I think it, so no, I'll let it go.
 
Now we go to the turnaround where we turn our thoughts and assumptions around and view them from multiple perspectives to see what may be just as true or truer about me.
 
I'd be happier if X didn't lie to me?
 
I wouldn't be happier if X didn't lie to me.
 
I'd be happier if I lied to X.
 
I'd be happier if I didn't lie to myself.
 
I'd be happier if I lied to myself.
 
People shouldn't lie to me?
 
I shouldn't lie to myself.
 
X isn't lying to me.
 
X should lie to me.
 
As you see, our thoughts can be turned around in many ways.  Our intent in the turnaround is to discover what, if anything, could be just as true or truer about ourselves.  In doing the turnaround, don't think your answers, intuit them.  Sense or feel the truthfulness or lack of truth in each statement.  DO NOT judge the answers.  Simply look at them.
 
In the end, what I think you'll find is that if our happiness or wellbeing is tied to the behavior and actions of others, we will often be disappointed.  That's because all of us, from time to time, fail to live up to our highest ideals.   That's just part of being human.  
 
Of course, this is just my way of answering these questions.  Your's may be quite different.  There are no rights and wrong here.  Our goal is simply to reveal our own highest truth. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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For me, when OM asked if it really was “like new”, I could see that she was right.  The patterns of thought were presenting themselves a little bit differently, from a different angle.  Kind of like how glass falls in a kalaidescope differently each time, but the same pieces of glass.  The thoughts were coming and I was reacting emotionally to them.  Then, had this Unitive experience, and I was feeling free. 

Then, this crazy phone call came out of the blue and brought up each of the issues in a different pattern. This time though, the thought pattern around the situation that I actively selected was that it was, and always had been, about choices that others had made and my responding emotions related to their choice.  It was no longer centered on what their choices had been, now it was a simple recognition that they had made a choice. 
Now when the thoughts related to these people and their effect on my life return, I see them as passing words flying by in my mind.  The emotions and anger related to the thoughts are gone and what is left is the ability to see that I still love these people and that is okay.  I can love them and respect their choices as long as I also equally respect my own related to the situation.  No judgment, no guilt. 

And, finally, Tuesday night, I got tired of hearing the same old song playing in my head and told God, “look, I am sick of this.  This are just words floating by that have no meaning in my life now.  I want to move on from this.”  Then, in an 11:11 prompt (see Ryon if you don't know what these are) came the very next morning (yesterday) saying that it is time to move on from old hurts and misery. 

This morning I woke up with the realization that the whole thing of recognizing that others are free to make choices, just as I am, is true for everything in life.  That is how we move through life.  We make choices.  Free will don't ya know.  So, these particular thoughts don't still have the emotional hold on me they did before.  Don't worry, I have others. 

Also, related to OM's off conversation response, I realized (was given the realization) that it is entirely within Truth that a person can be enlightened and still have hang ups and emotional pain.  One can be Awake and let the world “tease” them.  It is how I, in this case, choose to react to the teasing that matters.  Just because the rocky seas are calmed for a time, doesn't mean that there aren't more storms ready to move in.  There very well could be.  This is how we grow, or, apparently, how I grow. 

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You said that you have been at this for 25 years.  I have been “receiving” since I was a kid.  But, at that time I just accepted it and would then drop it for a while; and, then it would nudge me again.  It was hard for me to operate out in the world and deal with it.  I kept expecting to see stuff in the real world which mirrored what I was “getting”.  You know, messages of this total acceptance and love. 

I now see that it was support that I was receiving to help me handle what I was seeing in the real world.  This support is to help me, all of us when we accept it, retain it and get back to the “beings” we were created to be.  Doing so is another way that we co-create.  We are created.  The world mucks us up.  We are “touched” and told “no, no, that is not who you are, you are magnificent.”  Then, we take a journey back to seeing our magnifisence.  In doing so, we change our vibrations to a more postivie one and operate differently out in the world and then the world does begin to change for us. 

But, I lost my point there, I suspect that we are close in age.  You have this “Ma-Ma” vibe.  I think that is what lead me to contact you regarding this.  I have more of a big sis vibe for some folks.  I am of the realm of beings that is very protective of others.  I haven't done such a good job of doing this for myself.  Hence, my struggle with accepting my magnifisence.  For some reason, that just struck me as funny as all get out. 

Right now, I have been struggling with unemployment for over a year.  I have sooo much education (too bad I still can't spell at times) and it gets me that I did all of that and now find myself without a job.  I am a pretty smart cookie too.  You name it and I have done it to find a job.  Part of my problem is that I am in a city that is a job wasteland unless you are not educated and have basic skills.  I am willing to accept anything.  But, folks wont hire a lawyer to do secretarial work.  I try to tell them that they are missing out.  I would leave here.  But, folks don't even want to pay to send for you in order to interview you.  So, I get pretty down as I think, if I am awakening, then why aren't I being given the opportunity to go out in the world and spread my vibe around?  Why aren't I being supported in getting a job by the great beyond so that I can get the gas turned back on before the winter hits? 

Okay, that is it.  I can get on a big downer about this and I really shouldn't as faith and trust are so key.  I love ya Ma-Ma Om.

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Okay, to all you secretaries out that may be out there, please excuse me referring to a willingness to accept secretarial work as “anything”.  What I meant was I would take anything even if it was outside of my background.  I worked as an Exectuive Secretary for a few years; so, I know the value of the work and all that goes into it.  I was lousy at it.  Really, really lousy at it.  So, I had to go back to school before I had a boss that discovered how lousy I was at it.  While I was lousy at it, I was really good at covering up how lousy I was at it.  I think fast on my feet and am willing to put in over time.  So, I could fix the messes I created.  Then, I became a lawyer and while I am better at it, I keep getting into wierd situations with it where I keep discovering that I work with liars and cheats.  A good lawyer says, stop lying and cheating.  Most folks like the benefits that lying and cheating brings them.  So, I end up being pretty unpopular.

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Bob, I was wondering why I said all that, when it wasn't entirely true about or for me. Apparently it was a subconscious (or super-conscious haha) set-up for your marvelous summary of how Byron Katie would deal with those thoughts. What could be more perfect!!! You did a magnificent job with it !!! I have benefitted, and am sure others will too !! Thanks a big bunch!!

LOL,
OM

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Thanks for crediting Byron Katie OM.  She's been an influence.     

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Reply to post: She's been an influence on me, too, Bob. I lived and breathed and absorbed and automated The Work some years ago. It's extremely freeing and I use it for myself and with others all the time.

What other influences have been similar, for you?

Blessings, OM

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A Course in Miracles.  The year long series of lessons proved invaluable.  Colin Tipping/ Radical Forgiveness.  After reading Colins book, Radical Forgiveness, and recognizing the value of the work, I contacted him and then organized a tour through Arizona.  Dr. Maria Nemeth, the author of The Energy of Money.  Medical Intuitive, Carolyn Myss.  My mentor and friend Swami Buddhananada who moved me through years of grief release, forgiveness and body work.  At the top would be my inner teacher who moved me through the forgiveness process, step by step, over the course of approximately ten years.  Actually, Spirit didn't call it forgiveness.  Spirit's name for the curriculum was/is The Principles and Practices of Insight, Understanding and Peace.  

Very related, but not quite the same, are the teachers who provided guidance in becoming sensately aware.  These include Micheal Skye who taught me the value of breath work and trained me to facilitate fire walks.   Anodea Judith and her seminal work Eastern Body Western Mind was of immense value.  Rick Jarow, the author of Creating the Work You Love whose workshops all focus on doing the work from the inside out.  I suppose that this is a pretty good sampling, but probably like you, there are just to many to name.

What I find interesting is that when I wrote my first book in 2003, the forgiveness process I outlined was credited to Byron and Colin.  I combined the steps they outlined to create a hybrid process for forgiveness.  Then, a couple of years ago I rewrote several chapters and renamed the book, but left the forgiveness chapter intact.  About a month later, I was assisting a woman to move through the forgiveness process and in the middle she said, “What are you doing?  This isn't in the book or workbook.”  Surprised, I went and reviewed the chapter and sure enough, much of what I was doing wasn't in there.  Somehow, over the years, the processed had morphed into something else that transcended the old work but still included many of the parts.  One of the changes in this new process is that once we heal the misperception that's causing our pain, we identify the quality or value that will bring the situation or condition to resolution and then 'sensately' connect with that value or quality through the intelligence of the heart and invite it into our experience.  This is a bit long to get into here but I'll do my best to blog about it in the coming days.

    

            

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And then I said:

How interesting! Second person's email I read within 10 minutes commenting on my mother vibe !!! Which I don't experience as such, at all…. But I'm glad you feel supported.

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Yes, I agree with you on the God creation andthoughts on  good and bad.  My son is writing an essay comparing love as explained through a reading of Genesis and how it is explained by Plato in one of his writings.  So, he asked me for my thoughts and, what you said in your message to me, is exactly what I had told him.  I also explained the apple thing in that you can't be like God unless you have the opportunity to choose to be like God. 

You know what I just realized in the midst of typing this to you?   I am afraid of ( in addition to knowing that we live in a world where very little is geared towards our higher good)  failure.  Not at a job, when I get one.  I don't fail at jobs.  I am a hardworker and am pretty smart when I want to be.  I am afraid that I will fail on a spritual level while I am doing my job.  I am afraid that the people that I am around will lead me into going balistic or snarky with one of them due to stupid behavior towards me or someone else instead of going inside to see what the situation is really about on a spiritual level.   I keep seeing this in my life–cheating folks, lying folks, gossipy folks, lazy folks, mean folks, folks engaged in illegal behaviors, etc.  I will be patient for a while and then I just can't take it any longer and I act out in a manner that is not tied to my higher self.  I don't want to be part of the “madness”.  This is what I am afraid of.  No wonder I am not finding a job.

I read Karen Bishop's last Wings newsletter (for the week of September 14) and became a bit concerned as I am not experiencing a life anew.  I wonder how upsetting this may be for others that read it and wonder “why not me?” 

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And then I said:

 Am thrilled you had that realization!! (in the midst of typing)


I don't feel anew either, just continuing to shift each day inside. I know Karen Bishop always says we are all on different schedules, and not to compare ourselves to anyone.


[Aside to readers: We are almost caught up to date in posting our conversation.]


Hugs, OM

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I have been the proverbial 'fly on the wall' here but now am compelled to chime in. THANK YOU OM, Opening, Bob!!! My major remember/forget, remember/forget point is that I am not alone.

Opening, I had the exact same realization of what I was really afraid of about 2 months ago, triggered by events on the job. I was in a meeting and got very very close to making that fear an actuality by blurting something out in an overzealous manner. It had to do with integrity and although my boss chalked it up to what she knows as my passion for our customers, the others in the room did not. And there it was…my proof that my fears were justified.

OM's mention of the necessity to 'give up' our attachment to our mission - identity as rescuers -  I am learning that is the gateway here - and the non-judgement thing is the key. Oh, what an ego deflator!!!! Even an 'advanced' ego/identity - one that 'knows' the righteousness of love, truth, fair-play, honesty, etc.,etc., is still an ego/identity and must give way to non-judgement which is truly Divine.

And so enters Bob, with the reminder about the thinking exercises that always help me out of the emotional jungle of judgement…!

So I am supremely challenged to find a way to be OK with [ACCEPT - not RESIGNED TO] the way things/people are and know that just my/our existence in this reality is the true purpose - not what we think we do here by way of having others change or stop being 'cheating folks, lying folks, gossipy folks, lazy folks, mean folks, folks engaged in illegal behaviors'.

What I am seeing now is that this challenge is the very thing that seems to be creating an opening (pun intended :-)) which is allowing a higher dimensional resource to flow through and forge the avenues. A resource that has been hidden deep within and waiting (for eons it feels like) for this precise moment and opportunity to be released into the collective consciousness through me/us. It is so so wonderful that my ego/identity cannot take credit for this…it is obviously way beyond its best capacities. This resolution can only come from the One Self!

So again, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU my wonderful FAMILY!

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Thank you Patty for chiming in!

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Thank you for Patty for making it so real that all our stumbling around does have a purpose and that is beyond our own individual lives. 

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Back to the Conversation.  In response to a question from OM asking how I feel about posting our correspondance, I wrote:
I am feeling a bit insecure about it.  But, insecure is where I appear to be these days.  I read the whole thing we have posted through and am amazed at how clearly, at least to me, on one level I am this one being, and on another, I am the exact opposite of the other. 

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Oh Patty, thank you thank you thank YOU. This kind of benefit was exactly what our purpose was in sharing, and I feel soooo happy and satisfied now !!!!! And what an awesome picture. Tell us about it!

And thank you for your sharing, and YOUR wisdom. I love how you expressed what I would call surrender. And this thought will ring through my day:

 A resource that has been hidden deep within and waiting (for eons it feels like) for this precise moment and opportunity to be released into the collective consciousness through me/us.


And then I said to Opening:


I am thrilled that re-reading is giving you an overview, a clarity, that you didn't have before. Wonderful !!


Love, OM

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Then I responded:
 I love when the spiritual is made “real”.  This is what we are here for isn't it, all of us? 




 

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And then I said:

YES THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR !!!!!!!! I AM shouting it with enthusiasm and agreement !!!!!


Love, OM

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And then I said:
What I think is most valuable about posting our messages is that is shows all of this at work in our lives on a personal level.   It isn't just communicating the wooowoowoo aspect of it, or as I sometimes call it “the shamsi of the fig tree of the maharaji of woo”.  It makes it real and felt I think.

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ALL RIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!! WE'RE DONE, FOLKS!!!!!!

Now it's a Conversation among all of us, even more than it has been up til now. Pleeeeeez, we'd love to hear from anyone who's had any responses, thoughts, feelings, about anything we've said (or others have said) so far.

And how did you all like this experiment, of posting a previous conversation? Did it feel different from posting posts???

I again thank Opening for her courage, willingness to be vulnerable in her sharing, and for her awesome wisdom and inspiringness. I have definitely grown, from our interactions.

Blessings, OM

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Thanks for a thorough answer, Bob. I think Colin Tipping's Radical Forgiveness work is amazing. Imagine a multi-lifetime perspective on forgiveness!!

That was funny, you were doing work you didn't realize was new. Spirit is subtle, haha !!! Enjoyed hearing about your work, it sounds superb. I like that you bring in the positive, not just put the negative into awareness.

Yes, I have too many to name. Perhaps I will sometime.

Blessings, OM 

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P.S. Byron Katie when referred to by one word/first name is called Katie, not Byron. A quirk.

Blessings, OM

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Opening, you said “One thing I also remember is that I wanted to come back here because I thought it was truly beautiful–all of it, the push and pull, the choices, nature, the love, the chance to truly experience God's grace.”

I remember having a longing to come back here to re-experience with my soul - friends, and also I remember going over some of my planned life experiences. I remember one guide saying “are you sure? It might be tough.” to which I enthusiastically replied “I can handle it.” :) 

How better to come to truly appreciate the beautiful nuances, the magic, of the Universal Flow, than to forget? It's like being blind, and rediscovering color, being able to linger in appreciation over each new and lovely hue.

I think Earth is an amazing opportunity to remind ourselves how incredible and inspiring Existence (not limited to any particular plane or planes here) really is.

Warm Blessings,
Mercale

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Oh Mercale, thanks for coming back to this conversation. And for that awesome contribution. What Opening said and what you said, I've never heard better wordings of the “reason for it all.” I share your views, completely. My whole Being resonates with what you both said. And in that long post from whatsiisname the Pleiadian commander posted elsewhere here (help I can't recall) he said the same thing too. The forgetting has been a Project (which is now ending) for the purpose of gaining more appreciation and more wisdom. The fish and the water thing. We are the fish who volunteered to be in the air for awhile, and no other fish in all of Creation can appreciate the awe, wonder, and mystery of the water as we can now. That is our contribution, our worship, our devotion, our eagerness for expansion of the Awareness we are. And, sometimes, we think, our regrettable rash foolhardiness!!

My drier more philosophical way of expressing the same reason or purpose is summarized in the words Self-discovery, leading to Self-exploration, resulting in Self-appreciation. Where Self is the Infinite One and all the portion-Selves thereof. It all ends up in appreciation. In awe, wonderment, at the magnificence of it all. “The magnificence of it all” has overwhelmed me several times in this life.

Thank you again for this enrichment.

Blessings,
OM 

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:D   I missed you guys!

I feel like if I can't spend every moment in awe - I'm doing it wrong.   : )

*hugs*

Mercale

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Well if you're not in awe, you can always be in awe about not being in awe, so you're covered, LOL !!!!

We missed you too !!!

Hugs, OM

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I am going through a really strange time.  An opportunity that I pray that I shall not blow.  Thank you for your words Mercale.  They acted as a reminder.  A kind of reset button that I sorely needed this morning.  It is a great blessing when times get tough as we were warned, to be reminded that we were warned and we still elected to come.  We believed.

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Snif, hugs…I thought you've all gone, taken away by a starship! I felt a bit lonely here…

Just wanted to say “hugs to all of you”.

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Oh, all ya had to do was shout, and we'd respond, Patrick!! I've been missing conversations here too, and wanting to share about my life, but it's so busy with exciting wonderful things I haven't had a moment to gather my words together to share.

But this group is always in the back of my mind, kindred spirits who understand. We are here for one another, not just in the electronic squiggles domain, either, haha.

Love, OM

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What OM said.

See how easy it is? I can pretty much slack off and let OM do the posting for me.

But I do want to add some extra double hugs for you, Patrick. Just to prove that the ancient promise still holds true: when you take one step toward God-ess, she'll take a thousand steps toward you. Cuz she's a wild 'n crazy force with boundary problems, I suppose.

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Nah Nah, Mascha's wrong. It is I who can slack off and just say Me Too to HER posts, LOL !!!!!

Hmmm. Boundary problems. Gotta do something about that one of these eons…….

I do know that one step a thousand steps thingy. It's one of my slogans, at the top of all my Intentions and Visions lists. As “Vision says, take one step toward me and I will take a thousand steps toward you.”

Love, OM

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OM, it's true I always have awe of how I might not be in awe - which leads to awe - and so you bring up a very good point, BUT I married a magician anyway, just to be sure!  Lol

Macha, you said “she's a wild 'n crazy force with boundary problems, I suppose” and made me giggle! What an awesome gift this afternoon! Thank you.

*waves to patrick and all others who have gathered back here to say hello*

Blessings,
Mercale