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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Patrick [no longer around] said Nov 17, 2007, 9:19 AM: |
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This is a very creative answer Arthur. I’ll be as creative as you: Don’t bring back the seeds! |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Patrick [no longer around] said Nov 17, 2007, 9:43 AM: |
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After thinking about it…Why not….But we should also expose moderators of pods to some ratings, in order that the most agreed upon members become moderators. Patrick |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!adastra said Nov 17, 2007, 9:46 AM: |
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Patrick: This is a very creative answer Arthur. I’ll be as creative as you: Don’t bring back the seeds! ~~~~ Hmm, a one-liner in response to a reasoned mini-essay - no offense, but it actually doesn't seem all that creative a response on your part, Patrick. :P All opinions being completely equal, and given a equal balance of “bring back bad seeds” and “don't bring back bad seeds,” perhaps they should just decide by flipping a coin. :) Or…is more depth and qualitative judgment called for in making such decisions? cheers, arthur |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Patrick [no longer around] said Nov 17, 2007, 10:30 AM: |
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Hi Arthur, I feel a lot of anger towards you, and it dates back to the I-I pod. This just came back now! We’ll have to find a place to resolve this thing and I think this is not the place to do so - maybe a pod should be created that would be called the “resolve your anger with a mediator pod” - why not? Anyway, I could not hold back and this is certainly not the place to do so. So excuse me, but this thing will have to be resolved. Anyway, I just did not understand your answer to my post. So if you could be clearer, that would help me. Be well, Patrick |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Liz said Nov 17, 2007, 11:56 AM: |
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I really appreciate your honesty, Patrick. |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Patrick [no longer around] said Nov 17, 2007, 1:16 PM: |
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I hate/love you to Liz, Lol. The same for Arthur. Unfinshed business…always coming back at us…ah shity shadow. Hope we’ll resolve this one day. Be well, Patrick |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!adastra said Nov 17, 2007, 4:27 PM: |
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Patrick: I feel a lot of anger towards you, and it dates back to the I-I pod. This just came back now! We’ll have to find a place to resolve this thing and I think this is not the place to do so - maybe a pod should be created that would be called the “resolve your anger with a mediator pod” - why not? Anyway, I could not hold back and this is certainly not the place to do so. So excuse me, but this thing will have to be resolved. ~~~Hey Patrick Yeah, I have a negative emotional resonance with you also, though I can't remember precisely why. This is a phenomenon Clay Shirky discusses in his excellent article on the challenging dynamics of online forums, A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy (a must read for those who would design or moderate online forums). Shirky - in explaining why he believes rating systems are a stupid idea - says: ~~~ If you want a good reputation system, just let me remember who you are. And if you do me a favor, I'll remember it. And I won't store it in the front of my brain, I'll store it here, in the back. I'll just get a good feeling next time I get email from you; I won't even remember why. And if you do me a disservice and I get email from you, my temples will start to throb, and I won't even remember why. If you give users a way of remembering one another, reputation will happen, and that requires nothing more than simple and somewhat persistent handles. - Clay Shirky, A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy ~~~ I'm sure I had a good reason to feel upset with you, Patrick, and I'm sure it had something to do with my duties as a (former) moderator of IIZaadz pod. However, I feel absolutely no need to resolve it with you, particularly as I'm not a moderator on that pod anymore. As for the Shirky quote I don't know that he's right about that particular point, at least in a system like Zaadz, but I could be wrong. It may be the case that having pods where anyone can join automatically just does not work very well in practice. If it can be made to work, I think some kind of reputation software would be needed to help facilitate the process - and it would need to use more than positive feedback. And as for the more general discussion here, I'm really not interested in discussing it endlessly. The absolutely worst thing Zaadz could do, in my opinion, would be to try to make decisions on something like a trust system democratically, or through some kind of consensus system where everybody has to agree and nobody's feelings can be hurt or sensibilities upset. That's a recipe for blandness and/or organizational paralysis if I ever heard one. cheers arthur |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!Patrick [no longer around] said Nov 18, 2007, 7:15 AM: |
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Hello Arthur, You say: “Yeah, I have a negative emotional resonance with you also, though I can’t remember precisely why.” And : “I’m sure I had a good reason to feel upset with you, Patrick, and I’m sure it had something to do with my duties as a (former) moderator of IIZaadz pod.” For the record: I don’t think you were upset with me, but I was with you. Discontented, I decided to leave the I-I pod. You say: “However, I feel absolutely no need to resolve it with you, particularly as I’m not a moderator on that pod anymore.” If I’m summarizing what you say, it goes like that (my perspective):”I don’t remember, but I was certainly right. And I don’t want to talk about it.” Ok , I got the message. I’m just thinking that this answer is a bit of a paradox after what you wrote in this thread earlier, in order to support the good/bad seed system: You wrote: ” I have benefited from people’s “negative” feedback at least as much as from their “positive” feedback. (In my Zaadz bio, one of the first things I let people know is that “heart-centered constructive criticism is always welcome.” I think here you just refused to work through something. One can argue my critic was not “heart-centered”, but I can assure you I can sincerely hold back my anger and become constructive. Anyway, again, this is not the place for that kind of matters. I have heard your answer and the fact you don’t want to discuss it, and I respect it. let’s leave it that way. Peace, patrick |
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Re: Ratings on Individual Material? + BRING BACK BAD SEEDS!adastra said Nov 18, 2007, 1:23 PM: |
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Apologies to all for continuing a diversion from the main topic, but I want to clarify something: You say: “However, I feel absolutely no need to resolve it with you, particularly as I’m not a moderator on that pod anymore.” If I’m summarizing what you say, it goes like that (my perspective):”I don’t remember, but I was certainly right. And I don’t want to talk about it.” Ok , I got the message. I’m just thinking that this answer is a bit of a paradox after what you wrote in this thread earlier, in order to support the good/bad seed system: You wrote: ” I have benefited from people’s “negative” feedback at least as much as from their “positive” feedback. (In my Zaadz bio, one of the first things I let people know is that “heart-centered constructive criticism is always welcome.” I think here you just refused to work through something. One can argue my critic was not “heart-centered”, but I can assure you I can sincerely hold back my anger and become constructive. ~~~ Patrick, it is true that “heart-centered constructive criticism” is welcomed by me, and if you have such feedback to offer, feel free to do so in a PM. However, what you are asking me to do here is engage in emotional processing with you, an entirely different matter. I feel little emotional resonance with you or any “issue” between us - which, btw, in no way detracts from your infinite intrinsic spiritual value or your worth as a human being - and there is no context that makes it in any way imperative that we resolve anything between us.I hope this clears up the apparent contradiction for you. :) spiral out, arthur |
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