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  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Northern California

Whitewave said Sep 10, 2006, 3:46 PM:

 

[This is going to be my profile.  It's gonna be a work in progress, so don't ever ass-u-me that it's finished.  I will always find more to reveal.]

It's time for me to create the relationship that I want. 

If the man who is in and out of my life right now (R.) doesn't want this kind of relationship with me, then he gets to make a choice.  He is totally free to do that.  But if he has to objectify me and project all his own self-loathing on me in order to make the break, then he doesn't need to be in a relationship with me anyway.  If he does want this kind of relationship with me, then I would be more than enthusiastic about that.  After 2 1/2 years, it's now or never.  Make up your mind.

I am now single and available.  Someone help me celebrate!

And now I'm letting the b/f back into my life because he's in treatment for meth addiction and taking the entire thing very seriously.  As many may know, drugs aren't really about drugs.  It may seem that way for a while, but it's really not.  It's about fear.  And anger.  And helplessness and shame.  And we all have to look at those things, especially in regards to sex and intimate relationships.  Underneath his torment, he is a wonderful gem of a human being.  Time will tell if he can learn to protect that precious person from the torment, or if he will abandon him again. 

I still love ALL MAN.  That will never change.  And I am learning how to expand that to be ALL HUMAN without crossing boundaries that I don't want to cross.  Which is great!  I LOVE loving people!!  And so far, I have not had to surrender my freedom to have what I want.  With the deeper and fuller Incarnation of God, I won't ever have to.

—xXx—

I confess and am fully aware that I am still unwilling to embrace one certain aspect that has been part of maleness for thousands of years.  “The Player”  I have no time for you.  There may come a day when I am willing to play the role of “The Prey” just for fun, but that day has not yet come.  Of, course, my saying this only excites the player energy all the more, so it is unlikely that I will be able to escape it. 

[WARNING, WILL ROBINSON!*]
But before any Players approach me, let me just say that it is almost certain that you are the biggest fool on the face of the planet right now.  Your whole game is founded upon the scarcity of willing female sex partners.  Your game both depends upon and causes this condition.  But in spite of your idiocy, your precious supply is dwindling fast.  There has never been a time when more women are so willing to engage men sexually and prepared to step away from all the barricades.  We are willing to do what it takes to prevent pregnancy, disease and attachment so that the way is cleared for take-off.  We just want to enjoy you.  The only one who still thinks they have to be cunning or tricky about all this is you.  If you fuck me and then dump me because you enjoy the game, then enjoy your scarcity as well.  I'm looking for someone who can deal with the reality that I want great sex and lots of it and I am not alone.  Clearly you're afraid of that.  You're a coward and a moron.

[EXCEPTION!]
There is only one exception to the above rule.  If you are willing to totally come out about yourself to me and let me observe and put my consciousness into your hunt.  This would be a wonderful experiment, and would prolly really stretch both of us, and I would be willing to try that.  We both would have to be willing to endure some disorientation because of the exposure.  This would really excite me as I am really into doing Shadow Work and would love to try and Integrate all this into my prominent persona.  Of course, I would want you to reciprocate and work on Integrating your own Inner Victim and Misogynist.  Yeah, I'm talkin' to you!  Think you got the guts?  If not, then heed warning above.

—xXx—

I'm looking to build relationship with ALL MAN (either all of one man, or all men) based on SHARED VALUE.  If we are operating under two different value systems, then it won't work.  Don't let that give you the impression that I want my value system to win and yours must lose.  Clearly, that would be hypocrisy.  I am willing to embrace what Man truly values, deep down.  And since I believe that Man truly values something that does NOT work at cross purposes with what Woman truly values, then I can say that without fear.  I may not be aware yet of what that all means, but that's why life is an adventure.  Could you say the same?

I am willing to learn how to love women.  I don't think I want to have sex with women, however.  I'm pretty sure that I won't change my mind about that.  I'm currently working on putting intention into my choice about my personal Faith and Grand-Narrative.  I don't want to use it out of fear with the intent to control.  I want to leave that part behind with all the judgment and separation that comes with it.  But I want to take what I know about Non-duality and go back into the enemy-occupied territory of The Church and work to improve things.  I won't be able to do that if I cross certain lines.  Those lines are becoming more and more arbitrary to me, but they still mean alot to many suffering people who still think the game is about separation and judgment.  I'm still figuring out how to navigate this space.  Please forgive any unintended offense.  Women are beautiful creatures, and I want to learn to embrace the me I see in you.  Bless you.

I cannot travel much, sorry to say.  So, real live interaction will have to be local to me.  I'm not much for cyber-sex or phone-sex.  I really need that physical thing.  Maybe that will change with time.  I don't know.  But pressuring me will not cause it to change.  I'm sorry. 

I like planning.  Some planned spontenaity is good too.  Sometimes, totall surprises will work, but if it doesn't, don't be discouraged if I can't drop everything to get together.  There may be any number of things restraining me at the moment that have nothing to do with your worth.  Whatever you do, don't leave me sitting on the shelf.  I've had quite enough of my time wasted.  I'm not talking about being 15 minutes late on a date.  I don't care about that.  But telling me you'll come over after work and then you show up at 10pm, exhausted…   ummm..  no.

If there is no animal attraction, then let it go.  Don't think it's an absolute judgement about you as a man or person.  We're just not a good match.  It's not a crime, and it's not a tragedy.  Keep looking.  There's plenty of fish in the sea.  Blessings to you. 

I'm not “enlightened”.  I will be eventually.  I have good reasons for holding back.  Please, don't push me.

Please don't waste your time or mine by not bringing all of yourself to sex.  I want the whole animal, or nothing.  I will scare you.  I'm sorry.  But I'm just frightening.  I can be nothing else.  The closer I get to God, the more intense it gets.  I truly have no intention of frightening anyone.  Except myself.  And I do succeed at that regularly.  My deepest intention is to put my love into the entire man.  Especially the parts that he is afraid to acknowledge - even to himself.  Bring him to me!  Or don't bother.

  • 5'4”
  • Long red hair
  • Average weight with a deep desire to be better, stronger, faster…  (lemme know if you wanna work out together - no really.  Actually work out.  I have some equipment.)
  • My body is a war-zone.  A landscape shaped and marked from battles - both victories and defeats.  It has also known peace and has features of breathtaking beauty and haunting grace.  But most importantly, it has previously unknown valleys where God dwells, Shambhalas hidden to all but Gaia who keeps them perfect for her own glory and pleasure, and awaits the first pioneer to discover her hiding place.
  • I am Goth.  If that is offensive, then don't approach me.  It is how I express my desire to Embrace and Integrate Shadow. 

—oOo—

Mea Culpa
(my own version)

Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy

I can't sleep anymore
(The time has come)
I require you
(The time has come)
Take me
I am you
I am guilty

I want to go to the end of my awareness
I know that I will hate what I see
I am crazy 
I am letting myself go
I'm guilty

Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy

I am here and somewhere else
I have nothing more to hide
I am becoming crazy
I am letting myself go
I'm guilty

I can't sleep anymore
I require you
Take me
I am you

Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy

I am here and somewhere else
I want everything
When you want
As you like
I'm guilty

Lord have mercy

…more later…

—oOo—

[*My apologies to Billy Mummy for any perceived negative connotations about Will Robinson.  I love Will Robinson, even though he was too stiff and unrealistic as a child for me, and I think Billy Mummy is cute.  My reference to “The Player” is in no way connected to you, I merely love the phrase for it's light-hearted sense of generic concern.  Peace.]

  jackii : infinity

Re: Northern California

jackii said Mar 24, 2007, 8:35 PM:

 

i find it hard to believe no replies.  i'll ass-u-me you delete them all to keep the thread clutter-free.

you very much have my attention. tho i live in southern appalachia, i am very free to move anywhere. i'm single (for the last three years) and definitely feeling a need to deeply and profoundly bond which takes time.

i have many unique attributes that disqualify me from the vast majority of people. the first one is that i am polyamorous. you prolly know what that is, but i'll tell you about my version of it. first i'll tell you what it is not. it is not a vehicle for swinging. it is about serious loving honest relationships of the sort i understand you will have. it is a vehicle to disarming jealousy. it is not necessarily group marriage (marriage isn‘t the exact word i‘m looking for), tho in preference i would hope that it would slowly evolve that way. it is open to creativity-based consensus of the people involved. all with the goal of creating a source of Love that is inspiring to all who want to see the future and present to be vibrantly healthy in every way.


tho i don't know you, i love the thought of integrating shared value (synergy), shadow work, physical healing-oriented exercise, and tho you didn't say it intentional eating.


i believe i have a deep connection to the non-dual and to christianity i haven't read enough of you, yet, to understand your connection to them and how you plan to interact with the church.  my connection has taken on a mythical twist to it, which i love to share.  can you tolerate paganism?


things i might see getting in the way. you appear to have a hell of a lot of energy and you might see me as someone who slows you down. put in a first person statement, i have shadow regarding my view of people who need to be doing something all the time. and i have shadow relating to shaming myself for not doing enough.  

things that might go right, i love to assist people in interesting adventures.  you and i have enough similar interests that a natural synergy could be unstoppable, because other than the wilber worship  : )  i thoroughly enjoy most everything i've read (i know i haven't read all that much, but i love it so far)


i don't want to put too much energy into my introduction to hook up, so i'll leave it at this. and see if anything develops.


oh yeah, i love to play with sex, love experimental uses of almost anything, especially body/mind energetics. i recently have been exposed to folks who practice bdsm, and i know i'm a mix. i wouldn't want to start out on this path until deep respect and communication is clear to both of us, and it is not necessary that i have to go down this path.

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: Northern California

Whitewave said Mar 25, 2007, 10:22 PM:

 

Ohmygoodness!

A response!

Believe it or not (I don't either, btw) no one has responded until now.  Not directly.  Some have been indirect.  Which is fine, but if they're so timid, I'm afraid I would overwhelm them.  And that prolly means there is a part of themselves that they feel overwhelmed by sometimes, and that doesn't usually work out well for me. 

I very much appreciate the contributions of polyamory and paganism.  I was just telling my daughter the other day that I have this weird thing called, “compersion”, which I learned about from the poly community.  She was shocked that I even knew what that was.  Then, when I 'splained it as getting a warm-fuzzy feeling (where most people feel jealousy) when someone I love feels love or attraction for someone else, she laughed nervously and said, “That's fucked up!”  It was pretty funny.  There's something about not repressing the impulses at all which changes EVERYTHING and makes room for SO many new things to emerge.  It's amazing and fascinating to me.  Jesus said that He wants us to have more abundant life.  That doesn't have to mean being poly, but I think it does mean not repressing.  It's okay to respectfully suppress things which would damage the We Space, but thats not the same as repressing.  The Church really needs to grok that concept.

I don't necessarily feel that I need to be doing things all the time, but I feel as if I have to be vigilant about certain things.  My character, for one.  I've been looking at that this weekend and trying to imagine how I would do Shadow Work on it.  It still hasn't solidified yet.  So, because people who try to get me to take a chill-pill trigger me, that prolly means we'd both be standing in one another's Shadows.  Lots of energy there for good or ill. 

I too have shame for being “irresponsible” or “non-contributing” which gets torqued fairly easily.  It's still confusing to me sometimes, but that's largely because I'm living with the trigger in my face day in and day out.  If I leave town for 20 minutes, my head clears and I can see better.

LOL  Wilber-worship!  Yeah, that triggers alot of people.  I don't really worship him, but I get a kick out of other people getting worked up over it.  There's a little viciousness in that, I see.  I Shadow Hug him.  Which means, what I love about him, is true of me, and if people don't dig him, then they might not dig me, and I'm okay with those bullets flyin' off in his direction instead of mine for a change.  Now, that's fucked up!  LOL

Yeah, the bdsm thing holds something for me to learn about, but I don't know how to approach it yet.  I don't like the whore/maddona concept and I don't like being actually preyed upon and having my sex - or whatever - harvested, so I don't know what options there are.  I love seduction, either way.  But I only want to play at it.  I don't want it to be actually dangerous to anyone.  I would never want to harm anyone, so I know it's possible to do it that way. 

I was thinking today about the Vampire motif, and decided that I like that best because of the seductive part.  I have a very strong death impulse, and I long to meet someone else who can match me.  Not to die, but to prepare for it and mature by developing a relationship with it.  Austere monastic traditions provide the opportunity to prepare for death - monks make great Goths!  So, the death impulse is not just some twisted-sicko thing, it has a very important role to play in life, and a very long history.  The current phenomenon of “Murder Groupies” is prolly the current, Shadowed manifestation of that, since our culture has no legitimate avenue for this expression.  Some people dig the zombie thing or the Terminator thing because of the robotic, unrelenting aspect, and some like the animal hunting thing because of the impersonal, pre-conscious aspect, but I prefer to be seduced by a brilliant and creative human person.  I want to get to the point where I cease to resist because it is the right thing to do.  There is alot of room for play in there.  And I'm not sure if I could walk into a Vampire Club without bursting into laughter.  LOL

—oOo—

So, now that I look at this, I see that I should have updated my profile here.  I've been burned this way before.  Well, someone has been burned, anyway.  I'm glad it's you and not someone who doesn't grok how to share.  But that last b/f that I dumped has gone into treatment for meth addiction and is taking it very seriously.  He's even starting to open up to the idea of sharing.  It still makes him twitch, but he's seeing other friends of his having the same impulse and realizing that I'm not the complete, lone freak that he's been imagining me to be.  Love is starting to become an infinitely large thing with infinite possibilities instead of a single tiny little nugget that you lock into a tiny little box and hide away.  It doesn't work to push people, so I'm not.  But I have to be careful that my leaving him is framed as making choices about how I want to live and love instead of trying to manipulate him into changing.  And even if I keep my side of the street swept clean, he can twist it up according to his own Shadow projection in a heartbeat.  So, as long as I don't feel like a possession, I'm agreeing to be with him.  Out of sensitivity to his feelings I'm “off the market” for the time being.  He's still learning and trying on new ideas.  If he decideds they don't fit, I lovingly and respectfully make a new decision.  Time will tell. 

Meanwhile, I love being open about all this anyway!  Because I still love men and love to explore these impulses as much as I can with respect to the We Space.  I feel attraction to men all the time and I do not repress it.  I love it!  Every day!  All day!  I'm so glad I feel this way, and I wouldn't change it for all the tea in China.  And I love tea!  Thank you for your great gift of responding!  Blessings to you!

—oOo—

Now it's your turn to make a profile.  Make sure you start a new section for your neck of the woods.  I can't wait to read it!

~Ww

  jackii : infinity

Re: Northern California

jackii said Mar 26, 2007, 4:21 AM:

 

blessings to you as well, with all you choices.


i tried to start a profile, but the energies wouldn't co-operate. besides, my zaadz profile is still in the works, and i plan to be as honest in that one as i will be anywhere. maybe, i will make one for here soon enough.


it's fine that you are off the market, and realistically the odds that any two people really are compatible enough to warrant a serious relationship are remote. i'm not talking about a single soulmate, i think i have at least a thousand soulmates, but put that into the billions of people on earth… mathematics. but seriously, a shadowworker, an integral practioner, sacred sex, bdsm, AND a fan of yes music. *bows down to the ground to worship* *sneaking in to try to kiss feet, …and then ass*


regarding compersion, yes, i do see it as an integral part of christianity as jesus meant it. though i don't have much need to convince a church of that. i want to honor and even respect everyone's choice. i can empathize with jealous people, my shadow is not gone. tho the seed of compersion is well-rooted in me. and yes, stranger in a strange land had a powerful effect on me as well. i feel comfortable saying it is my favorite book of all-time.


i am so into not-doing that most people die of boredom with me. i sit and observe and smile. and then when i get off my ass to try to help. the shadows are overwhelming. i am a hermit for good reason. in 2005, i moved to an eco-village at www.earthaven.org. those people are amazing, loving, focused energetically to help the planet thru example. they work with permaculture which is finding a way to bring and maintain a ecologically sustainable community to critical mass. it's exactly what i think i want to do. but i couldn't stand up for myself there. that experience lead me to shadowwork, which i've been practicing steadily for about a year and a half. still the energy, whether shadow or true, keeps me from trying to go back.


but i thank the energy (sometimes), and look for opportunities that are blessed by both shadow and light.


for the past two years i've been living with my parents as a base to find my next intentional neighborhood. i have money saved up from previous work, and my mom is paying for all my expenses, because she wants/needs help taking care of my dad, who has phase 2 1/2 dementia. so i'm temporarily retired, and i go to various events, like pagan festivals and sacred sexuality workshops and my men's group puts on various weekend events. it's been a interesting year. while home i've become nocturnal. i have not taken to the role of caregiver, i don't know why my mom puts up with my not helping more (prolly cuz she‘d knows i‘d leave), but i think it's because she knows the universe, (God), has potential plans for me, and i need to use this time to further my growth processing. it's like you leaving town for 20 minutes, only its been almost two years.


i think i understand why you and the guys in our salon love ken's work. and i like to listen to them to a degree, to the degree that i am recognized for my genius, lol. but nooooooo. : )   of course that is entirely not true.  it was just that one time it happened.  and if i hadn't frozen, i would have been able to speak my truth.


i still haven't e'mailed them about what i want from them for me to continue. and i think it is this, instead of shooting me down for not using the terms correctly, first actively listen to me and then suggest how i might rephrase things so they do fit the model. but i may be too much of a indigo (or higher) genius, so their prolly jealous. it may or may not work out for much longer, no problem either way.  lol  (laughing at myself)


are you sure you don't like the whore/madonna concept, cuz that really turns me on. : ) well, yes and no. i don't want to harm anyone either. what my limited experience has told me is that a certain toughening up is helpful to reduce wimpiness. and that a certain degree of submissiveness in the face of dominance is not weakness. and that practicing the shadow behavior of dominance is good for future uses of being effective. it's not the only way to achieve these lessons, but it sure looks like a fun and intense way, and the people that i‘ve met that do this are very compelling people. those people are ten hours away, tho. i have a few good stories about my mythic life when i visit them.  steel hooks!?!?!  8o (<–emoticon)


i had a death dream a long time ago. i was sentenced to death and hooked up to a machine that would spin a person around until, splat. and as i was hooked in, and the machine started turning, a voice in my head said, you know you are dreaming and that if you die in your dream you really do die. so for whatever reason i was really into it and i committed to dying in the dream. so eventually, splat, and my consciousness released for my body and expanded to the stars further and further, and the feeling that accompanied it was the mostly blissful peace i have ever felt in my life. i have a little fear of death, some if i'm in a situation that requires effective action to avoid it, but really i look forward to it.

regarding vampires, the confident (not overconfident) ones are definitely seductive. and i'm completely convinced that you are one. maybe it's the picture in your profile.


it's been wonderful indulging you and myself. yeah, i can visualize you as a queen bee (or beast) attracting many males. …and me a sovereign for both genders. no hurries, time will tell.

  jackii : infinity

Re: Northern California

jackii said Mar 26, 2007, 12:37 PM:

 

it's fine be me, if you move this last post, title it southern appalachia, and consider it my profile, which i'll update from time to time. 

  jackii : infinity

Re: Northern California

jackii said Mar 27, 2007, 12:35 AM:

 

not sure why i didn't figure out i could do that myself. it's prolly not mother shadowwork.  : )  run!!  run far far away!!!

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: Northern California

Whitewave said Apr 5, 2007, 4:56 PM:

 

Just so everyone who's reading knows…  I'm not ignoring you, jackii.  You're just keeping me jumping in my other pod so I can't keep up, and largely because of your infectious enthusiasm, I've started a whole new pod to manage!  Like I have enough time to do all this well!  LOL  It's not your fault!  You've just dipped into my own internal well of passion for this work and the flood has completely overrun me.  But it's all good!!  I'll just have to keep going forward and keep trying and keep forgiving myself for not doing this perfectly. 

Blessings to all and welcome all newcomers that I haven't yet greeted!

~Ww

 

Re: Northern California

Symbolist Artist [no longer around] said Aug 14, 2007, 1:35 PM:

 
I like your words Gabriel, and I do think there are men out there who value that aspect of a relationship immensely. I was recently told that in the States, it's not comme il faut (good manners) to talk about exes and their flaws or whatever. Sure I know it's like that over there - ridiculouos dating going on for ages, all just facade and now truth, until then it all breaks down after marriage… My approach scares Americans because I'm direct and blunt and revelatory of major events in my life. It's part of my Finnish background but also  do I want to see right away whether the person in question is being scared off or not. I'm a strategic warrior who doesn't want to be trapped or blamed of deciet. In my mind that's how intimacy can going very fast, by really opening up on the vulnerable levels as soon as possible.

Ww, apparently the google map did not show your right location, which is a bit sad because it really looks like I'm packing up my things to go to Kansas early next year. I'd love to meet you in person and mirror stuff with you on that level too. No, I'm not into women, but I'm eager to talk to and bond with them. It could be both men and women basically but men of course, well if you meet them in real life it tends to become a black and white situation where you need to go for the courship or nothing else. Cheers! :-)))