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    <title>Gaia: The Visionland</title>
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    <link>http://groups.gaia.com/vision/discussions/feeds/pod/34</link>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:21:48 GMT</pubDate>
    <description>Gaia: The Visionland</description>
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      <title>The Sky and the Earth</title>
      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-58871</guid>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:21:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <link>http://groups.gaia.com/vision/conversations/view/58871</link>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;img src="http://aura.zaadz.com/photos/8/75336/large/Nature10A.jpg?" alt="Nature10a" width="500" height="360" /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Sky&lt;br /&gt;And the Earth&lt;br /&gt;Aspire to touch &lt;br /&gt;And embrace each other&lt;br /&gt;With Love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Originally posted in my Blog on11-09-2006]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Barin&lt;br /&gt;14-09-2006&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Re: Sri Aurobindo ~ What Sri Aurobindo represents III</title>
      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-52904</guid>
      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:19:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <link>http://groups.gaia.com/vision/conversations/view/51232#52904</link>
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&lt;p&gt;      Yes, you are true, CalmEagle. &lt;br /&gt;Humility is the most essential virtue.&lt;br /&gt;Barin&lt;br /&gt;01-09-2006&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Re: Sri Aurobindo ~ What Sri Aurobindo represents III</title>
      <author>http://CalmEagle.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>CalmEagle</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-52829</guid>
      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:29:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <link>http://groups.gaia.com/vision/conversations/view/51232#52829</link>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;To leap into the new consciousness, the first condition is a mental modesty sufficient to be convinced that all one thinks one knows is nothing in comparison with what remains to be learned.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;All that one has learned externally must be only a foothold enabling one to rise towards higher knowledge.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, humility is a small package which must accompany one on the journey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CalmEagle &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Sri Aurobindo ~ What Sri Aurobindo represents III</title>
      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-51232</guid>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:01:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <link>http://groups.gaia.com/vision/conversations/view/51232</link>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;span style="font-size: 14pt"&gt;Sri Aurobindo ~ What Sri Aurobindo represents III&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;Even there shall come as a high crown of all&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The end of Death and the death of Ignorance.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sri Aurobindo : Savitri&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;The Mother [Mira Alfassa] said on 30&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; January 1972 :&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;Sri Aurobindo came upon earth to announce the manifestation of the supramental world and not merely did he announce this manifestation but embodied also in part the supramental force and showed by example what one must do to prepare oneself for manifesting it. The best thing we can do is to study all that he has told us and endeavour to follow his example and prepare ourselves for the new manifestation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-indent: 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;This gives life its real sense and will help us to overcome all obstacles. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;Let us live for the new creation and we shall grow stronger and stronger by remaining young and progressive. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;It has already been stated that Sri Aurobindo has told us about the various planes of mind and about the Supermind and the Descent of Supermind on earth and of the Advent of the Supramental race on earth.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;The human race is born into a world of ignorance and inconscience but is also capable of an upward evolution of its consciousness and of an ascent into the light and force and bliss of a spiritual consciousness and spiritual nature. The question now is about the consequence of this descent of Supermind into the earthly existence about for the mankind. The descent into the earthly existence of this supremely creative being and consciousness and power that the Supermind is will not only be a new feature or factor added to the human life and existence, or be put in its front, but it will also have consequences of importance deeply affecting the rest of earth-nature. Though the entire humanity, or even a major portion of the humanity in its present state of existence, may not have a transmutative emergence and rise into the New Race, the Supramental Consciousness and Force will definitely and surely exercise a great influence on mankind as a whole, even a radical change in its existence here on earth. The influence and the change it will bring would be far-reaching and even tremendous. It is not only that the Supermind will be established and a supramental race of beings will be manifested upon the earth, it will also bring about an elevating and transformative change in Mind itself and, inevitably in the consciousness of man, the mental being, and will also equally bring about a radical transformation in the principles and ways of his living, in the ways of his action and in the entire make-up and sense and music of his life and his physique. The access to the supramental consciousness and the supramental life will be open to man, because by such a transformation a race of supramental beings would be created. In the same way, the human race itself has come into being through a considerable elevation and expansion of consciousness and a change in the use of the body and through the evolution of the inherent mental and spiritual abilities and powers out of the animal. The human mind is a principle of an original ignorance that searches for knowledge but arrives only at a partial knowledge. The human mind is the indweller of &amp;ldquo;a half-way twilight&amp;rdquo; and it serves and helps of ignorance and it brings for us a combination of truth and error. The effect of the Supramental descent may, even without or before a complete transformation of the mind and the human existence turn the mind into &amp;ldquo;a power of light, of knowledge finding itself.&amp;rdquo; As Sri Aurobindo has said, the human mind may even become in man &amp;ldquo;a subordinate, limited and special action of the Supermind, a sufficiently luminous receptacle of truth&amp;rdquo;, as it is so in its origin. And all falsity in its action may cease to be.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The descent of Supermind, of the supreme creative Truth-Power, in the earth-nature, may bring a change in the law of evolution, its method and its arrangement: the principle of evolution through knowledge may enter into the forces of the material universe to a large extent&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;The evolution now is wholly an evolution in Ignorance. It begins from &amp;ldquo;the complete nescience of the Inconscient&amp;rdquo; and proceeds towards only a lesser ignorance, even in the highest attainment of knowledge by mind. It is so, because mental knowledge is only a representation, not a direct knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;When there is the descent of the Supermind, man will then begin to develop the powers and means of a higher knowledge. Even the developing animal may open its mentality to &amp;ldquo;beginnings of conscious thought and even a rudimentary reason,&amp;rdquo; and even the plant may develop its &amp;ldquo;first subconscient reactions&amp;rdquo; and attain some primary nervous sensitiveness. Even Matter, which is but a blind form of the Spirit, may become more alive with its inherent hidden power and may offer more readily to the new human intelligence, influenced by the Supermind, the secret sense of things, the occult realities it covers, for example, &amp;ldquo;the record of the past&amp;rdquo; always preserved in its dumb inconscience, or the working of its involved forces and invisible movements which reveal veiled powers in material nature. This would be a great change promising greater changes in the future. And it would mean only an uplifting of the universal order, and not a disturbance. &amp;ldquo;Evolution would itself evolve,&amp;rdquo; says Sri Aurobindo, but it would not stumble or be disturbed. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;We have experienced the human mentality in a world which starts from inconscience and proceeds through an almost complete nescience and a slowly lessening ignorance towards a high degree of knowledge. But this is still a partially equipped knowledge and has always an incomplete scope and imperfect method, which does not serve fully the needs of a consciousness always pushing towards the goal of its own still distant absolute. This creates our notion about mind. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&lt;br /&gt; In the present stage of its evolution on earth, we see the imperfections and limitations of mind and accept them to be the part of its very nature. But in fact its present boundaries are only its temporary limits and measures of its still incomplete evolutionary progress. The shortcomings its of methods and means are there because it is still immature, and they are not there because of its constitution. &lt;span style="font-variant: small-caps"&gt;Mind&lt;/span&gt; has definitely evolved much from the state of mind of the &lt;span style="font-variant: small-caps"&gt;cavemen&lt;/span&gt;, of the stage of the Homo Sapiens and the Homo Neanderthals. And &lt;span style="font-variant: small-caps"&gt;mind&lt;/span&gt; will definitely evolve further in the time to come, even before its being supramentalised.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="text-align: center" class="MsoNormal" align="center"&gt;***&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;In its evolution, the mental being has chosen to take the burden of the physical body and as well the vital consciousness, which have created conditions of great difficulties for the mind, and when compared to these difficulties, its achievement may seem to be great. But in comparison to its great possibilities, its achievement is far below the expectation. And indeed an illumined future is possible for Mind.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;Because mind originally is a principle of light, an instrument put forth from the Supermind and is not &amp;ldquo;in its very nature an inventor of errors, a father of lies bound down to a capacity of falsehood, wedded to its own mistakes and the leader of a stumbling life&amp;rdquo;[Sri Aurobindo]. though at present it seems it to be so. Though now it works within limits and even creates limits, these limits are luminous borders for a special work by Nature, voluntary bounds with a special purpose, &amp;ldquo;a surface of the finite ever extending itself under the eye of infinity&amp;rdquo;[Sri Aurobindo]. This character of Mind will reveal itself when touched by Supermind and human mind will then grow into some minor instrument of the supramental knowledge. Possibly, the mind will no longer be limited by the intellect and will be capable of a mental gnosis, which will be a luminous but diminished reproduction of the Truth, it will extend the power of the Light not only to its own consciousness but to that of the lower levels,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;when Man will ascend towards self-transcendence. All the Higher levels of Mind, from Overmind to Higher Mind will be able to reflect some of their powers in the ascending human mind and the purified and exalted feeling and vital force and action and thereby prepare the Ascent.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;This is essentially the change which will be the result of the new evolutionary order, consequent of the descent of Supermind on earth, of the advent of Supermind into the earth-nature. We have earlier seen that this Descent has already occurred on earth on the 29&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; February 1956, as declared by the Mother.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Mind has its origin in Supermind and is itself a power of Supermind. It is a principle of Light and a power of Light and a force for a Knowledge specially active for a special purpose. But it assumes a different aspect in working out this purpose and separates itself more and more from the supramental light, from the power and illumination of the supramental principle. In this departure of Mind in this direction from its own highest truth, it becomes a creator of ignorance and appears to be the highest power in a world of ignorance. Subjected to ignorance, Mind seems only to arrive at a partial and imperfect knowledge. This decline is there, because Mind is used by the Supermind mainly for bringing the necessary differentiation, so that there is a creation, a universe. In Supermind, in all its creation there is this differentiating power, &amp;ldquo;the manifestation of the One in the Many and the Many in the One; but the One is never forgotten or lost in its multiplicity&amp;rdquo; and multiplicity &amp;ldquo;never takes precedence over the eternal oneness&amp;rdquo;[Sri Aurobindo]. However, in Mind, the differentiation, the multiplicity does take precedence, and the sense of the universal oneness is lost. The separated unit appears to exist for itself and by itself, and forgets the True Origin. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"&gt;However, the plane of mind need not be a world of ignorance where falsity, error or nescience must have a place. It may be only a voluntary self-limitation of knowledge.&lt;br /&gt; &amp;ldquo;It could be a world where all possibilities capable of being determined by mind could manifest themselves in the successions of Time and find a true form and field of their action, the expressive figure of themselves, their capacity of self-development, self-realization of a kind, self-discovery.&amp;rdquo; [Sri Aurobindo] &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In psychic experience the line of descent is found by which the involution takes place and ends in Matter and the creation of the material universe. However, in the psychic experience, what is found is an original inconscience where life and mind and spirit struggle to evolve out of the material inconscience and ignorance to find themselves and grow towards &amp;ldquo;their full capacity and highest existence&amp;rdquo;[Sri Aurobindo]. If mind is successful in that endeavour, it can also find back its true character and once more become a principle and power of Light and even help in the working of a true and complete knowledge. At its highest, it may transcend into the supramental truth and become a part and function of the supramental knowledge, and in the lower degree below Supermind it may grow a mental gnosis, a spiritual perception, feeling, activity, sense which serve knowledge and not ignorance. It can be an increasingly luminous way leading from light to light, from truth to truth, no longer circling in &amp;ldquo;the mazes of half-truth and half-nescience&amp;rdquo; [Sri Aurobindo]. This is not possible, where mind is not transformed, as it now is, as is still be the leader and the highest achievement of the evolution. But when Supermind descends on earth and is the leading and dominant power here, this will certainly and inevitably happen.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style="text-align: center" class="MsoNormal" align="center"&gt;***&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;In this connection the Mother has further said:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;A new consciousness is at work upon earth to prepare the coming of the superhuman being.&lt;br /&gt; Open yourself to this consciousness if you aspire to serve the Divine Work.&lt;br /&gt; To come into contact with this new consciousness, the essential condition is no longer to have any desires and to be wholly sincere.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The Mother has also given us a simple but essential and indispensable advice:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;To leap into the new consciousness, the first condition is a mental modesty sufficient to be convinced that all one thinks one knows is nothing in comparison with what remains to be learned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style="margin-left: 0.5in"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;All that one has learned externally must be only a foothold enabling one to rise towards higher knowledge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Ref: &lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue"&gt;The Supramental Manifestation on Earth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by Sri Aurobindo. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Continued]&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Barin&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;29-08-2006&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Re: Swami Beyondananda</title>
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      <dc:creator>CalmEagle</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:19:36 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;a href="http://www.boxing-records.com/palm/voirpalma.phtml?boxeur=jonesrap.html"&gt;Tiger Jones&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnostic.org/murshidsam/forward.htm"&gt;Sufi Sam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>CalmEagle</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:12:15 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Barin ~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I knew him briefly in SanFrancisco in 1971-1973.&amp;nbsp; He frequented the Seminary where I was a student, although he never was formally affilated he was an honorary member!&amp;nbsp; It was an eclectic place: at one point Tiger Jones, the famous boxer, was a seminarian in his old age, and Sufi Sam a guest lecturer.&amp;nbsp; What interesting times those were.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CalmEagle&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-48596</guid>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:27:06 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Hi CalmEagle, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know about Sufi Sam to some extent, &lt;br /&gt;a highly interesting and enlightening person.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span&gt;Grey patriarchs, come breathe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;, so sayeth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;Sam, hands whirling behind behind his&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;back, lecturing wandering Jews.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;Fiddling with esoteric joy was his&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;initiation behind deep breaths,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;wind circling his home.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;the backcountry is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;all his sect.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;~ Sam the Sufi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;Thank you for referring to Sufi Sam.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;Barin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal"&gt;24-08-2006&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Re: Swami Beyondananda</title>
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      <dc:creator>CalmEagle</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-47683</guid>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:17:11 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      You are so welcome.&lt;br /&gt;Yes, I just discovered him. Back in the old days in San Francisco (hippy days of the early 1970&amp;#39;s) some of the best teachers used humor to drive their points deeper than sober aloofness would have...did you ever know Sufi Sam?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Namaste,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CalmEagle &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:49:07 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;I visited the Swami.&lt;br /&gt;It is really grand. Amid laughter, he has come up with some great wisdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with him, when he says :&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Can we change the course of history? Can we shift our karma into surpassing gear? I cannot&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;say for sure, but if we choose to give up that old Dodge and trade it in for an Evolvo, that&amp;#39;s a &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;good first step. So ... let the Evolution begin. We don&amp;#39;t have to wait until the first Big Shot is &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;fired. If we create a powerful enough field, the Big Shots will end up firing themselves.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you, CalmEagle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely, &lt;br /&gt;Barin&lt;br /&gt;22-08-2006&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>CalmEagle</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-47481</guid>
      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:49:33 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      For a really good laugh and also some spiritual and political truths, &lt;a href="http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/news.html"&gt;go visit the Swami&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s a great way to take a break &amp;amp; learn something at the same time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Love,&lt;br /&gt;CalmEagle &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>cate</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:48:52 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;The Spiritual texts of many traditions point to the existence of demons, god demi -gods, angel, Archangels, (d)jinn, Buddhas the list is endless.&lt;br /&gt;Seen and unseen dimensions of being inter-fuse and influence life constantly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A person&amp;#39;s actual belief system depends upon many things.....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;his or her personal psychology...the background of his/ her life...his her sub conscious..his her history.....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;so whether you believe me or not is irrelevant...it is the age old problem of the mystic and the seen and unseen worlds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is and has always been the nature of a incorporeal being to influence the life and lives of corporeal beings....the evidence is there if you look. The problem is inherent instabilty of the system....involution...a supression of creative active intelligence occurs during demonic possession...this can manifest on a collective level through collective and organized structures competing.....Indian literature tells many tales...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a contemporay leve...Tthe idea that the pattern of evolution includes an- involuted state is correct as we look at the pattern and parallels of life on a quantum level or astro physical level .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is the extent to which involution is consciously unstable and&amp;nbsp; deliberately destructive&amp;nbsp;which is the problem ....and the crux at the current time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Warfare and&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; instability&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Personal and global are actively pursued&lt;/em&gt; thus exaggerating&amp;nbsp; damage at this time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Consciousness of the need to create inner&amp;nbsp; and outer stability within the whole process of change is the key awareness factor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We &amp;nbsp;need to be part of&amp;nbsp; a consciously evolving dynamic equilibrium which tends towards a best life supporting system for all beings.&lt;strong&gt;The vision must be held in mind&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which is why critical mass theory, global education , personal and social transformation are essential.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purpose is not to transcend or avoid dealing with the death destruction and chaos ...but to confront the causal factors&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and commit to life in total awareness constantly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Personal transformation&amp;nbsp;whilst simultaneously acting towards transforming our national and global communities is essential ....&lt;strong&gt;it is the same path and&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;the same&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Way....Peace..and &amp;quot;Harmony &amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;in truth and light and love&lt;br /&gt;from a heart and personal centre &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;catemurray&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>cate</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:00:36 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Beings of light and consciousness exist as separate entities to human beings .&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://ben-blaze.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:42:15 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;Dear Barin, thankyou so much for your comprehensive response, it was very enlightening. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I wanted to respond to a particular part&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;In Man, there is an active part or aspect of the Soul, which is termed by Sri Aurobindo as the Psychic Being, which participates in the Evolution of Man, in the onward journey of the human being on the Path of Evolution into the higher beings, the supramental beings, towards the Manifestation of the Supramental Consciousness, the next phase of the Evolution. The Psychic is not present in any other living beings,as there was no evolutionary necessity, says Sri Aurobindo&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I think this a fascinating aspect of Sri Aurobindo&amp;#39;s philosophy, one that I have not found present in Indian Philosophy, at least not articulated quite this way. The Psychic being then is a active aspect of the human soul which does not exist in animals, but allows Humans to evolve into higher and higher &amp;#39;manifestations of Supramental Consciousness&amp;#39; which you term the next phase of evolution. I think this next phase is vital to comprehend, to envision, even if we could never realistically imagine it, the reality is: we need to create it! What makes it even more compelling is the realization that it is not happening on its own, if we are ultimately - on&amp;nbsp;a fundamental level - that Psychic Being, then it is our duty or dharma to realize that aspect of ourselves and then actualize it, not for personal enlightenment but for the facilitation of a New Phase of Surpamental Consciousness for all humanity. How? and what do you think about putting ultimate responsibility on us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not some cosmic power or godhead that we turn into an Other. I am certain that it won&amp;#39;t happen any other way, i.e., unless we do everything in our power to facilitate it. I appreciate your knowledge and passion,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With Recognition,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ben&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:00:49 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;Hi jabuddha, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes, everyone&amp;#39;s heart&amp;nbsp;should be&amp;nbsp;in the right place, crystal clear and transparent and full of love and sympathy and benevolence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Barin&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:51:45 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;Hi Ben,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for the delay in replying your question. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And you have asked a very good question, which proves that you are thinking and philosophising. It is definitely leading you on the Way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You have asked :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Could it be possible that the god principle that burst forth into manifestation is evolving into never before seen structures and realities which have nothing to do with preexistent stages. What would Aurobindo say Barin? &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Realiy is indeed beyond the principle of Mind and thinking. What seem to be non-existent previously in the worldly plane, in the mental understanding, was definitely there in in the Supreme Consciousness as an Idea, a Real-Idea. There it is both an Idea and a reality.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Ultimate Reality is the Infinite and One Existence-Consciousness-Bliss, whom we name as the Brahman, the Divine, God etc. He has three aspects, the Transcendental, the Universal and the Individual. &lt;br /&gt;In the Transcendental mode, He is above all maifestation, above all the Universes, all the worlds. He is the Supreme Divine, the One, Indivisible, Infinite, Pure, and bears the eternal consciousness in Him. He is&amp;nbsp;above all Time and Space. He &lt;strong&gt;IS&lt;/strong&gt;. He is Existence, eternal existence, and can even become Non-Existence, beyond the apprehension of any manifested existence. &lt;br /&gt;In the Universal mode, he is one with the Universes, though above them and is their Creator. He is the Manifestation, He is the One who manifests. It is His Will that is manifested. The entire Manifestation is He, and it is His Leela, Play. He is both beyond it, and within it, and in each atom, each living being. &lt;br /&gt;And He is also the Individual, Personal God. All the Avatars are but His Individual Manifestations. The Supreme is with His Creative Force, the Mahashakti, whom we call the Divine Mother. They are One and Indivisible, and yet They are Two in Manifeastation and even above Manifestation. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is the Will of the Supreme that created the Manifestation. In words, it may be said, to our human understanding,&amp;nbsp;that He thought : &amp;quot;Ekoham, bahu syama,&amp;quot; [in Sanskrit].&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot; I am alone, and shall become many.&amp;quot; The Existence-Consciousness became many, countlessly many, and each of the many is a Soul. &lt;br /&gt;A soul, or the &lt;em&gt;atman&lt;/em&gt; in Sanskrit, is a part and portion of the Supreme Consciousness, the Divine - a part who is one with the Whole, who can be the Whole also, who can unite with the Whole. In all living beings, there is a soul, who resides in the background, not easily known or realized. The soul presides over the living being, but somewhat inactively, in the background. &lt;br /&gt;The Soul does not generally participate in the Evolution. In the Evolution from the animals to the human beings there has been no active role of the Soul, though the Divine Will was ever active. &lt;br /&gt;In Man, there is an active part or aspect of the Soul, which is termed by Sri Aurobindo as the Psychic Being, which participates in the Evolution of Man, in the onward journey of the human being on the Path of Evolution into the higher beings, the supramental beings, towards the Manifestation of the Supramental Consciousness, the next phase of the Evolution. The Psychic is not present in any other living beings,as there was no evolutionary necessity, says Sri Aurobindo. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The One wanted to become the Many. And what was not there previously, may definitely come into existence, &lt;strong&gt;as we cannot limit the Creator within our human ideas and the human sense. He is the Ever-new.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You have told:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The reason I mention this is because if this is the case then the evolutionary principle which is ecstatic and full as it is, is not manifesting just to realize or return to itself alone, it also is bursting into new levels of wholeness, integration, and fullness ad infinitum (or at least for an unimaginable length of billions of years).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And you are right&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Again :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Not to realize pre-existent levels of consciousness and being, but to bloom into never before seen stages which can be strong enough to support humanity as it becomes truly mature and responsible on a cosmic level.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The pre-existent levels of consciousness are there. They are not deleted. They cannot be done away with. But they are expressed in manifold forms and asmanifold beings. The previouslevels of consciousness remains inherent, as they are the bases.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With the best wishes, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Barin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;23-07-2006&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <dc:creator>jaBuddha</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-33241</guid>
      <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 05:32:45 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Actually Ben, et al, this all is a bit over my ken; sounds good, though.&amp;nbsp; I feel everyone&amp;#39;s heart is in the right place.&amp;nbsp; Blessings.....jb &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://ben-blaze.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-32963</guid>
      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:49:55 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;Concerning Involution and Evolution. Many people believe, including myself for sometime, that the Absolute God Principle, when he, she, or it manifested this manifold reality, went through involution (from total unity to modified and conditioned diversity). Then as the universe begins to awaken to itself through the evolving human what we have is a re evolution, or otherwise the emergence of the perfect underlying order which is synonamous with the original absolute. So there is an oscillation, and evolution is in a sense a return to the Divine Source. But I would like to engage this idea and question it with the rest of you guys and girls. Could it be possible that the god principle that burst forth into manifestation is evolving into never before seen structures and realities which have nothing to do with preexistent stages. What would Aurobindo say Barin? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The reason I mention this is because if this is the case then the evolutionary principle which is ecstatic and full as it is, is not manifesting just to realize or return to itself alone, it also is bursting into new levels of wholeness, integration, and fullness ad infinitum (or at least for an unimaginable length of billions of years) That would mean that it is not just about realizing our own supreme nature which is ever free from the process (though that is a vital first step) but also taking responsibility and engaging fully in creating the next evolved moment, and the next, each expression a little higher, fuller, deeper, and with greater levels of participation. Not to realize pre-existent levels of consciousness and being, but to bloom into never before seen stages which can be strong enough to support humanity as it becomes truly mature and responsible on a cosmic level.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Benny&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-30150</guid>
      <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:13:52 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Confusions and an explanation&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Words may very often create confusions, mainly for the reason that a word may have various meanings and usages. During a discussion, a particular word may thus create confusion. However confusion cannot be the intention and aim of the discussion.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I am having a discussion on Sri Aurobindo and am interpreting His teaching, His philosophy and spirituality and yoga, I always, without fail, without any deviation, use the words as per the definitions and meanings given by Him. If other meanings and definitions and senses are intended, obviously there will be confusion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Therefore, the solution to avoid any confusion is to adhere to the meaning and definition given by Sri Aurobindo, when the discussion is about His Teaching. When there will be discussion on the Buddha, we should adhere faithfully to the meaning of the words intended by Him. When we discuss Jesus, we must ad here to His intentions. When we discuss Ken Wilber, we should mean by a particular word what he means.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If during a discussion on Sri Aurobindo, I, or someone else, give another meaning or usage to a particular word, confusion may be created. When an attempt to clear the confusion is made, one should understand this and should NOT continue to hold the different meaning or usage as against the intention in the original discussion. Then only we will understand properly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sri Aurobindo has defined every word of importance, including Nature. He has also spoken of Supernature and Higher Nature. About the present state of Nature, which has created Man from Matter and Life, let me quote Sri Aurobindo from the Life Divine :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The transition to Supermind through Overmind is a passage from Nature as we know it into Supernature. It is by that very fact impossible for any effort of the mere Mind to achieve; our unaided personal aspiration and endeavour cannot reach it: &lt;strong&gt;our effort belongs to the inferior power of Nature; a power of the Ignorance cannot achieve by its own strength or characteristic or available methods what is beyond its own domain of Nature&lt;/strong&gt;. All the previous ascensions have been effectuated by a secret Consciousness-Force operating first in Inconscience and then in the Ignorance: it has worked by an emergence of its involved powers to the surface, powers concealed behind the veil and superior to the past formulations of Nature, but even so there is needed a pressure of the same superior powers already formulated in their full natural force on their own planes; these superior planes create their own foundation in our subliminal parts and from there are able to influence the evolutionary process on the surface. Overmind and Supermind are also involved and occult in earth-Nature, but they have no formations on the accessible levels of our subliminal inner consciousness;&lt;strong&gt; there is as yet no Overmind being or organized Overmind nature, no supramental being or organized Supermind nature acting either on our surface or in our normal subliminal parts: for these greater powers of consciousness are superconscient to the level of our ignorance. &lt;/strong&gt;In order that the involved principles of Overmind and Supermind should emerge from their veiled secrecy, the being and powers of the Superconscience must descend into us and uplift us and formulate themselves in our being and powers; this descent is a sine qua non of the transition and transformation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is conceivable indeed that, without the descent, by a secret pressure from above, by a long evolution, our terrestrial Nature might succeed in entering into a close contact with the higher now superconscient planes and a formation of subliminal Overmind might take place behind the veil; as a result a slow emergence of the consciousness proper to these higher planes might awake on our surface. It is conceivable that in this way there might appear a race of mental beings thinking and acting not by the intellect or reasoning and reflecting intelligence, or not mainly by it, but by an intuitive mentality which would be the first step of an ascending change; this might be followed by an overmentalisation which would carry us to the borders beyond which lies the Supermind or divine Gnosis. But this process would inevitably be a long and toilsome endeavour of Nature. There is a possibility too that what would be achieved might only be an imperfect superior metallization; the new higher elements might strongly dominate the consciousness, but they would be still subjected to a modification of their action by the principle of an inferior mentality: there would be a greater expanded and illuminating knowledge, a cognition of a higher order; but &lt;strong&gt;it would still undergo a mixture subjecting it to the law of the Ignorance, as Mind undergoes limitation by the law of Life and Matter.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;For a real transformation there must be a direct and unveiled intervention from above; there would be necessary too a total submission and surrender of the lower consciousness,&lt;/strong&gt; a cessation of its insistence, a will in it for its separate law of action to be completely annulled by transformation and lose all rights over our being. If these two conditions can be achieved even now by a conscious call and will in the spirit and a participation of our whole manifested and inner being in its change and elevation, the evolution, the transformation can take place by a comparatively swift conscious change; the supramental Consciousness-Force from above and the evolving Consciousness-Force from behind the veil acting on the awakened awareness and will of the mental human being would accomplish by their united power the momentous transition. &lt;strong&gt;There would be no farther need of a slow evolution counting many millenniums for each step, the halting and difficult evolution operated by Nature in the past in the unconscious creatures of the Ignorance.&amp;quot; [Sri Aurobindo : The Life Divine]&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From a perusal of the above passages, it is clear if we go back to Nature, we will then go back to Ignorance : the further progress and evolution from Man to Superman will be halted and thwarted. It is seen that Sri Aurobindo views the evolution from Matter to Animals or Plants (i.e., various life-forms) and from Life to Mind and Man has been a &amp;quot;halting and difficult evolution operated by Nature in the past in the unconscious creatures of the Ignorance.&amp;quot; And even now, our effort &amp;quot;belongs to the inferior power of Nature; a power of the Ignorance cannot achieve by its own strength or characteristic or available methods what is beyond its own domain of Nature&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope the role of Nature is now clearly understood. It cannot lead us ahead in a proper and swift manner, unless there are the Descents of the Higher Powers and Forces in Nature. And this is possible - but how? Let us see what Sri Aurobindo has said in His book &amp;lsquo;The Mother&amp;#39; :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;There are two powers that alone can effect in their conjunction, the great and difficult thing that is the aim of our endeavour; a fixed and unfailing aspiration that calls from below and a supreme Grace that from above, that answers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the supreme Grace will act only in the conditions of the Light and the Truth; it will not act in conditions laid down upon it by the Falsehood and the Ignorance. For if it were to yield to the demands of the Falsehood, it would defeat its own purpose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These are the conditions of the Light and the Truth, the sole conditions under which the very highest supramental Force descending from above and opening from below that can victoriously handle the physical &lt;strong&gt;Nature&lt;/strong&gt; and annihilate its difficulties ...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There must be a total and sincere surrender; there must be an exclusive self-opening to the divine Power; there must be a constant and integral choice of the Truth that is descending; a constant and integral rejection of &lt;strong&gt;the falsehood of the mental, vital and physical Powers and Appearances that still rule the earth-Nature&lt;/strong&gt;.&amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;[Sri Aurobindo :The Mother]&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here, too, we find that Sri Aurobindo has referred to the fact that the falsehood of the mental, vital and physical Powers and Appearances still rule the earth-Nature.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can we then go back to the Nature, the earth-Nature, which still ruled by the falsehood of the mental, vital and physical Powers and Appearances?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;***&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then, there is confusion regarding the words Reason and Intuition.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I will give one example. When Sri Aurobindo wrote the book The Life Divine, He had already reached the threshold of the Supramental Consciousness, far above the plane of the Intuitive Mind, far above Intuition. He interpreted rationally in His philosophical treatise &lt;strong&gt;The Life Divine&lt;/strong&gt; all His Wisdom and Knowledge that He reached directly by Identification, not only by Intuition. &amp;nbsp;He did not discard Reason. To discard Reason and accept Intuition would have been against His approach of Integration. Can we and should we discard Reason which had been a help to us for millennia for surpassing the surrounding darkness? Reason may not be the highest means of Knowledge. But till the coming of Intuition, it has to be there. Only, it has to be transformed and widened and illumined as far as possible. It is an instrument, and its proper use is in our hands.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And all that appears to us as Intuition is not intuition. There are many false signals also. And the old earth-Nature, in its animal kingdom, worked with &lt;strong&gt;instincts&lt;/strong&gt;. And often the humans work with &lt;strong&gt;impulses&lt;/strong&gt;. All these have to be searched and scrutinized, for they appear to many people as Intuitions. And there are the Anti-Divine Forces, who intimations and we may often think that they are Intuitions. The Mother has many times cautioned us against all these. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I clarify all these, as I do not want that those who read about Sri Aurobindo in &lt;strong&gt;The Visionland&lt;/strong&gt; or in my Blog or in Arpana&amp;#39;s Pod &lt;strong&gt;Soul-Study&lt;/strong&gt; do not be misled by the words for their various meanings and usages. [This is posted simultaneously inall the three places.]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With all the best wishes &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;for all the Zaadsters who read these lines.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Barin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;15-07-2006&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-28024</guid>
      <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &lt;p align="center"&gt;Re evolution/ involution of humanity&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;the nature of humanity is not the nature of man alone&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;or the nature of God/Creator/Mind in matter&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;matter life springs from the ONE&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;DIVINE SOURCE&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;LIFE ITSELF is divinity &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;it is the &lt;strong&gt;smaller minds of the seen and unseen worlds&lt;/strong&gt; that are transforming life and lives&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;Cosmic Healing of Cosmic Minds&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;requires what?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;COMMUNICATION&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;EDUCATION&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;and a&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;A COMMITMENT TO A BEST LIFE AND LIVES FOR ALL BEINGS&lt;br /&gt;YOU AND ME ..seen and unseen&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;from those-with physical bodies and those present in the physical bodies of others&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a honest position&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a walking of the TRUE WAY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In Light&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In the LOVE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OF THE FATHER AND THE SON&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;in the name of the WORD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;spoken and unspoken&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;in the name of LIFE&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;embracing the chaos&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;stillness and chaos&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;the true nature&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;the WAY of aligning with God&amp;#39;s will and Good&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;the return&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;to power in love and light&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;and TRUTH in LIFE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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      <author>http://barin.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>Barin</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2006:Gaia-27718</guid>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:58:20 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      &amp;nbsp; &lt;p&gt;My thanks to flex22, CalmEagle and Arpana/pj for their good response.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CalmEagle has said:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I think an aspect of this is that humanity can best survive by &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;returning to our true human nature, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;namely a pre-separation from GOD identity. It lies within each man and woman to do this, even right now, without further evolution or transformation, should the will simply become engaged and decide to release to the Wild Divine.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CalmEagle has thus raised a deep-rooted and fundamental question of utmost importance. She thinks that by going back to our &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; nature, bereft of the conception of God and stopping further evolution and transformation, humanity can best survive, and this can be attempted by individuals even now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us then go back to the caves! Let us withdraw ourselves from all our scientific, medical, intellectual, aesthetic, cultural and spiritual advancements and turn to our &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; aboriginal nature, as some people may still be doing in Andaman Nicobars, or in Taiwan or somewhere in South Africa, or even South America! Or, if nobody is found now-a-days, let us go back to the era of the Neanderthals! Let us forget God! Let us forget evolution and transformation! &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me then go back to my cave, where I might be dwelling some fifty thousand years back, or even earlier. Let me then live a wild life, along with my wild animal neighbors, dressed in leaves and eating raw fruits only!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Would I be saved then? Would I no more require any education, any philosophy, any music, any art, any search for beauty, for truth, for goodness? Or do I not need any more any medicine, any books, any food or dress which civilization or culture taught me to use? Would I not then contact CalmEagle or Peggy Joyce or flex22 or Brian or any other friend in Zaadz or anyone else anywhere through internet , or anyone over telephone, or even through post and telegraph, or be informed of the world news or the news of my country? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All right. Let me forget everything for a while. But what shall I do with my inner Fire, my inner Urge, my inner Intensity to surpass all my limitations, all my animal wildness that makes me a slave, my unquenched eagerness to surpass all darkness and ignorance, and my askesis to receive the Help of any higher Power in my difficulties, in my sufferings and in the matters of death and diseases?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can any man - who is nothing if he is separated from the Infinite Consciousness, who is an insect if he is pre-separated from God, the Eternal and Supreme Consciousness - can any man survive if he is reduced to an wild animal, &amp;nbsp;or to a natural helpless insect, after his Journey towards Fulfilment and Victory for fifty millennia or more?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And if you or I become separated from God, will He separate ourselves from Him? Are we independent enough to do that? In our being and in our composition, is it possible? Is God our imagination or our creation, so that we can stop Him from Being, or do away with Him from our life?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can we stop Evolution? Can we choose to do away with the necessity of Transformation?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If we stop Evolution, Evolution will stop us, the human beings! If we stop Transformation, we will be discarded by the Force transforming us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can we forget the Mother [Mira Alfassa] who gave us the following message on the&amp;nbsp;1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; January 1967: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Men, countries, continents! &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The choice is imperative: Truth or the abyss.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;Let us always remember that the choice is&amp;nbsp;imperative. And that is the Destiny of this Earth.&amp;nbsp;We have to live for the Future, to reach this Goal. We cannot pre-separate God, for He is in us, and we are in Him. In our true identity, we are one with the Divine, parts of the Divine. We cannot stop Evolution, as we are evolved beings and we are being evolved always. We are never stationary. We have to be transformed or be surpassed and thrown away, like the gigantic dinosaurs!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;And what is our true nature?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;Is it the Wild Divine? The Wild Divine is the Truth for the wild animal world, it was a temporary phase of the manifestation of Truth in the evolutionary world for a period of time. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;Our true nature is leading us from the semi-animal existence to the Divine Becoming. This is the Truth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;And for us: Truth or abyss!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We cannot go back&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We have to march towards the New Horizon, towards the New World!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;I again say, as Arpana agrees with me: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Humankind can survive only by a radical transformation of human nature.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;Let us march together in Light, towards Light!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;Barin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;10-07-2006&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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