love songs

i have recently been using a change of perspective to understand love differently. i have long been disconnected from the type of love described in the american dream, the one true love, since we have had a good time we must cling to it and embellish it with blind devotion  sacrifice. as i have experienced it it is a subtle, or maybe not, form of domination, in fact i have seen relationships as being the interplay of domination and submission. no judgement that is the way it is, one person takes the higher postions and one the lower and it may change moment to moment day to day. this too is the essence of understanding and utilizing sex, but all that is not what ihave meant to talk about.
so i have been changing the way i think about lovesongs when i hear them. i once embraced the idea of a mate, in a state of confusion, of experimentation, is this what i need? thats what i was told, but now i know better, the only true mate is more than just a chance meeting it is the result of effort, the effort that we take in ourselves long before we choose to share it with another. never should we seek completion from another for we will never find it there, just actors playing a role. so i have been thinking about music and love songs and sufi mystic poetry and in some songs i can hear the devotion worthy of god, or a god like being or of the higher self.
an obvious one is My sweet lord by george harrison, it was intentional that way. but there are others which you can find for yourself another on my mind now is I dont have anything by VAST it could have been intended, if i think of more i will post them too.

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though it is not a love song per se, Jambi by Tool takes on a different meaning if you think of the mention of “you” as a reference to the higher self or soul.
and Lovesong by The Cure
 

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i have often disliked love songs all together and i would tell myself it was because the kind of love that was being discribed did not exist but on a spiritual journey that i embarked upon in 2000 i began to relate any song of love to the divine essence of love that is ever present when we aknowledge it. Truely i feel that society and hollywood's promotion of a specific “love” is false and maintained to control us. Most people i have met have problems in relationships and issues with love in general. I too struggle with my own morality and question the roles we play. a friend of mine recently told me how she wished people could be less upight about intimacy and how natural it once was for even platonic friends to share a bed and same sex persons to fall asleep in eachothers embrace. It was not about being gay, human beings are sensual beings and now we live in such a rigid, fundamentalist, conditioned state that we are socially unable to share pure, would-be moments of love. I think love exists on so many different levels. I agree with you that we must find fullfillment within our selves first and although i have been led astray in the past i am growing forward in truth….namaste

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i agree. i have long thought that there is something unnatural about the way that people commonly think of love. many people dont think that they can live without “love” and yet seek superficial relationships that give the impression of love, they seem to think that if i hit this formula life will be great and that formula is the “american dream” which includes these and more: education(in the form of a peice of paper not in the sense of being educated), love (in the form of a relationship leading to marraige or a similar form of bondage), property ownership (having a house and lots of pretty crap to fill it with), and career success (being a slave to a source of money, to support the previous conditions) all this goes together to make us slaves to our desires nad to the desire of society which now is run by commercialism :P
to one who subscribes to that view of the world it is downright strange that anyone would not jump at the opportunity to do these things for themselves, to be that way too. i personally have no desire to be married for its own sake nor for that matter to chase a career or property ownership, i dont want a house or a car for thier own sake. i dont want a bunch of crap to have and i dont want to sell myself to some company to work me 40+ hours a week to get all of that crap.

sigh
good day

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while this has gone abit of subject i wanted to comment on what you said about the american dream bullshit template we're given. From what i can tell it seems that some of the most natural societies were tribal. I long to leave this social arena and start my own culture. But alas, i was born into the manipulated masses and i feel that i must rise from it to be free of it. I once had the notion to walk along the beach south until reaching some south/central american 3rd world paridise but then i would only be running from what i hate. Seeing so many others suffering, i want to start a new way.  I am currently working and researching in effort to create a proposal for a business grant. If all goes well, i will use the profits to buy an island or acrage and start my own society. I may be crazy but thats what they say about all inventive thinkers. what do you think.

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many people feel the same urge, my best friend and i have since 7th grade had and thought about the same idea. we considered though an island always sounds good that the sea levels are rising and you will lose land before long. we thought that an aircraft carrier covered in soil might be a good idea but that is very exspensive sounding.  we would really like to get some land in mountains somewhere far from civilization and dig into the mountains to build a self sustaining community, but that too is a pipe dream compared to now. in my plan, the first thing that you need to do is to manage yourself,now stick with me for this metaphor, develop yourself until there is a bubble around you, and you will collect around you what seems to be dirt but as they develop around you they too will be bubbles. as the foam builds it creates a unified mass. that is how you break free to form a new style of community, start where you are.
its one of my goals here on zaadz, its called Plan A.
i have thought a lot about it and the functions and possibilites are mapped out in my head and on paper. i just need diligence and patience.

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Thank you for that metaphor, i really like it! You have a good point about the sea level rising! Mountains were my other favorite idea too. I know this goal seems hard to reach but i believe anything is possible. Starting where i am is not quite as simple though. My parents were military, I have been traveling all my life and have no home town. I have traveled on my own in search for home and now find myself in florida which i have grown to dislike emminsly. It is mush too hot in the summer and instects thrive rampantly. Besides florida will probably be under water soon too and its no place to invest my future. I have thought about going back to california the state i was born in and perhaps finding two friends that moved there years ago. I lived in ohio for many years, texas, alaska, north carolina. A friend visiting oregon said eugene is a free spirited place! i'll soon be 25 and still i know not where i belong and i am restless yet .

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well the term 'start where you are' is more in application to yourself, your inner condition and it can expand to the conditions around you. go where you would like i have long wanted to go to new mexico. since you have a sampling you have a better idea of how places are and maybe you might try and travel around to find the right place for you.
if you want to start a new way first make yourself alight unto the world then people will come to you. there will people who want to feed on you and there will be those who want to idolize you. the ones you will want to know are the ones who will learn not from, but with you. if you choose to join another group in thier endeavor make sure it is respectful, make sure it feels right, they should let you think and allow you to question and reword thier philosophy in order to make it your own.
if you find something good let me know. and when i pull myself from the mire that has enveloped my life as of now and engage life in a communal way i will let you know.
until then you know where i can be found. :)
i certainly enjoy talking with you,
good day