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Re: Healthy Radical Life Extesion - the mass possibility

http://inlink.gaia.com — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:16:37 GMT

I'm not clear on moving from Karma to Grace. Does it involve seeing no evil, hearing no evil, speaking no evil, even though it is all around us? Louis Pasteur said chance favors the prepared mind. The ancient sages you mention believed that we come with a Karmic mission, with another chance to right the wrongs we committed in a past life. Moving from Karma to Grace turns over that apple cart. I’ve always questioned other people’s answers. I’ve always relied on my own take. We move into La La Land, where there is nothing but love. You mentioned Jesus in association with everlasting life. I exist in a state of conscious awareness, limited only by me. How could my conscious awareness, like my physical body, have a place in space and time? I don’t follow how you equate everlasting life with time and space. Why would I want to live forever. My life is good now. I have no assurance it would remain good forever. We can renew ourselves, live more fulfilling lives, but for nature to keep us alive forever makes no sense, and I wonder why you would want that. Do you fear physical death that much?
You bring up quantum physics. I’m a fan of quantum physics. Quantum physics is about to discover the why of everything. I speak from personal experience. I had a bigger than life calling—my purpose here bigger than my own desires and needs. I went to sea on a 37 foot sloop for two years, where it was just me, the sea, and the heavens. I had to look within for all of my answers. That’s when I found out how able I was to overcome whatever nature threw at me. The inexplicable happened while I was at sea. When I went to sea I felt my life was over. When I returned I was a new and different person. I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

Healthy Radical Life Extesion - the mass possibility

http://vivaever.gaia.com — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:28:27 GMT

by Dr Janni Lloyd

I have presented the following as 'a symphony of voices' -

INTRODUCTION

Throughout the ages, pioneers have been challenging the accepted belief systems of the populace, and producing major evolutionary leaps: "The Earth is the centre of the Universe" gave way to the understanding that the earth revolves around the sun. "The Earth is flat" fell away when Columbus did not fall over the edge. The Wright Brothers also flew us into another reality as have countless others. I will be postulating in the words to follow that the belief system "death is inevitable" will have a similar fate.

Life is about living with passion and vitality. Creatively following our dreams with fun, joy, love and lots of laughter. If your life can be described in these terms there is no way you would want to become physically incapacitated by age and then die.

The scenario of "ageing" as we have known it, illness and death are being challenged from many different directions - medical science, quantum physics, alternative medicine and spirituality to name a few.

I have been living and researching the possibility of Radical Healthy life extension with the ultimate possibility of physical Immortality since 1992. Let me share with you the insights I have gained over that time. I encourage you to look within, listen to your own inner voice and see whether its softly singing the same melody of life. The notes may vary but the theme of Life, Life and more Life is the same.

Let's now explore this realm of LIFE.

WHY DO I FEEL THAT RADICAL HEALTHY LIFE EXTESION IS POSSIBLE?

To answer this question I will begin from the viewpoint of medical science. Medical science is largely based on Newtonian Physics and sees the body as solid matter. We have seen major advances in medical science particularly over the last 100 plus years. In Australia, the average age of death in the late 1800's was 40 - the average age of death now is around 80. We have seen a doubling of life expectancy over that time. A doubling of life expectancy was achieved even though the populace believed "death was inevitable"! A major factor for the increased life expectancy was the decrease in childhood death rate due largely to medical science. Large amounts of time, energy and resources are now being channelled into geriatric medicine which will probably achieve even more profound results. A very conservative estimate of average life span 100 years from now, based on what we've seen in the last 100 years, is a further doubling to 160.

There have been two wonderful books written in the last few years which chronicle the advances in medical research which are leading to, not just increased longevity, but Physical Immortality - they are: "The Last Mortal Generation" by Damien Broderick and "Immortality" by Ben Bova.

Damien Broderick commences his book by saying, "Some time during the 21^st Century, ordinary humans like you and me - or our children or grandchildren - will be offered new medical treatments that will lead, eventually, to physical immortality. Science and technology, to be more precise, will provide the option of indefinitely extended youthfulness. That will be the start of an epoch when old age is unknown and nobody ever again will need to die ...".

Ben Bova begins his book with equally powerful comments - "The first immortal human beings are probably living among us today. You might be one of them. There are men and woman alive today who may well be able to live for centuries, perhaps

even extend their life spans indefinitely. For them, death will not be inevitable. As the American Immunologist William R Clark put it, "Death is not inextricably intertwined with the definition of life". Just because human beings have always died does not mean that they always will die".

The areas of medical research discussed in Broderick and Bova's books include Gene Therapy, Regeneration/Cloning and Nanotechnology.

Damien Broderick reports on a biological discovery instantly dubbed a "cellular fountain of youth". In 1998 researchers Woodring Wright and Jerry Shay of the University of Texas, South Western Medical Centre at Dallas, and their colleagues at Geron Corporation - "Had found a way to extend the mortal life span of typical human cells cultured in the lab, using an enzyme, telomerase, usually restricted to only a few of the bodies tissues (to be more exact, the cells were given an artificial gene construct coding for a part of the telomerase enzyme)".

"A full six months after that epoch making announcement, Wright told me that the treated cells continue to divide long after they normally would have perished from old age. The untreated control cells had reached senescence (in effect standard fatal old age for such cells) at about 65 divisions. By July 1998, the treated cells, by contrast, had reached 180 - 200 divisions and were still alive. "Thus" Wright added, "one could say they have now doubled - tripled their lifespan". These, remember, are normal, healthy human cells. What's more, they show no signs of malignant transformation into tumerous cancers, usually the price paid by body cells that keep dividing beyond the usual shut down point. In January 1999, cells were still healthy, at some 300 divisions!"

Ben Bova tells us of successful research in the area of tissue regeneration - "at the 1997 meeting of the American Heart Association, two research teams revealed that they had used gene therapy to coax the body to grow fresh arteries as natural bypasses for clogged blood vessels. Scientists from St Elizabeth

Medical Centre in Boston reported that they had injected 20 patients with a laboratory produced version of the human gene that makes a protein, vascular endothelial growth factor, which spurs the growth of blood vessels in human fetuses. 16 of the 20 patients, who suffered from severely clogged arteries in their legs, grew new arteries that carry blood around the clogged vessels. The constant pain that had afflicted them has been relieved and they have been spared the need for leg amputations. Several of the patients have even started to grow toe nails again. The second team, from Brigham Women's Hospital in Boston, is using similar gene therapy to make coronary by-pass surgery work better ... a pair of Harvard researchers announced that they had grown replacement organs - including hearts, kidneys and bladders - for lab rats, rabbits and sheep. They used the animals own cells as the starting material, grew the new organs in the laboratory, and then implanted them surgically into the animals ... and it won't stop there. If new organs can be grown in the laboratory, why can't you grow new organs or limbs in your own body? ..."

Bova also reports on Nanotechnology - "Nano is the scientific/technical prefix for a billionth. It comes from the Latin word for dwarf. Nanotechnology deals with machines that are measured in nanometres, billionths of a metre (a nanometre is not quite a quarter/millionth of an inch) Drexler's envisioned nanomachines are about the size of viruses. The basic idea behind nanotechnology is that if you could build machines the size of viruses, they would be able to work with individual atoms and molecules ... we would enter an era molecular engineering in Drexler's phrase, nanomachines are molecular manipulators ... now picture nanomachines at work inside your body, breaking down plaque on your artery walls, tearing apart invading microbes ... rebuilding worn or diseased tissues wherever they are found, molecule by molecule, atom by atom. ... but Drexler's vision is more than a dream. Research on nanotechnology is underway at Universities and laboratories in Britain, Japan and elsewhere, as well as MIT, Stanford, Cornell, The University of Michigan, IBM, Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs, SRI International and other research institutions in the United States".

Fascinating new treatments and research - both books contain page after page of exciting possibilities. Also, remember that the time between a creative theory and a physical reality is reducing. Technology is advancing rapidly. Yesterday's magic becomes today's science and tomorrow's reality.

As I stated before, western medicine is based mainly on Newtonian physics with the body being seen as solid matter. I spent 20 years studying and practising western medicine. From that purely solid matter perspective, I know that your body is a miracle. The orchestration of anatomy, physiology and biochemistry required just to move your little finger is awe inspiring. You are a miracle becoming more miraculous the more we learn about the body. If you don't feel this way about your body get hold of a basic physiology and biochemistry book or do a course. Learn about the miracle that is you. When you realise how miraculous your body already is, Radical Healthy Life Extension / Physical Immortality will seem logical. For a body that creates miracles with every breath, nothing is impossible. Give thanks for your body on a daily basis - your life will be enhanced immeasurably.

Now let's start shifting your viewpoint from Newtonian - solid matter - physics towards Einsteinian - quantum, energy - physics. Deepak Chopra in his book "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind" gives us a view of our body at the atomic level - still solid matter but close to the border between matter and energy. " ... your body must live on the wings of change. At this moment, you are exhaling atoms of hydrogen, oxygen, carbon and nitrogen, that just an instant before were locked up in solid matter; your stomach, liver, heart, lungs and brain are vanishing into thin air, being replaced as quickly and endlessly as they are being broken down. The skin replaces itself once a month, the stomach lining every five days, the liver every six weeks and the skeleton every three months. To the naked eye, these organs look the same from moment to moment, but they are always in flux. By the end of this year, 98% of the atoms in your body will have been exchanged for new ones".

And you thought the body you woke up with this morning was the same one as yesterday morning - and I'm not talking about your sleeping partner! "The only constant in life is change" - true at all levels of reality, just more obvious as we edge towards the quantum reality.

Just before we leave the solid matter reality - most experts say that we use less than 10% of our brain capacity, have you ever wondered what the other 90% is for???

The second viewpoint from which I will explore the possibility of Radical healthy life extension / Physical immortality is quantum physics. The level at which matter becomes energy.

In "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind", Deepak Chopra describes this level - "Your body appears to be composed of solid matter that can be broken down into molecules and atoms, but quantum physics tells

us that every atom is more than 99.9999% empty space, and the sub-atomic particles moving at lightening speed through this space are actually bundles of vibrating energy. These vibrations aren't random and meaningless, however, they carry information ... the essential stuff of the Universe, including your body, is non-stuff, but it isn't ordinary non-stuff, it's thinking non-stuff".

I prefer to call it intelligent energy. So the body has moved from a solid object to a fluid river of energy. With this understanding, to me the body has become similar to a flow of potter's clay, to be moulded at will by the potter. Who's the potter - your spiritual self, your mental self, your emotional self - perhaps all of the above?

And remember the energy is intelligent - is this intelligence your spiritual self waiting to be moulded by your mental, emotional selves or perhaps wishing to be allowed to be manifest into material reality without obstruction? You will have your own thoughts - however we have established our so called solid, material reality is very ephemeral (can you imagine 99.9999% empty space) and fluid.

The knowledge of physical matter, including your body, as intelligent energy - ephemeral and fluid - helps us to understand the abilities of spiritual adepts. Some of these adepts are reported to be able to walk through "solid" walls - as it's actually 99.9999% empty space, maybe it's not that difficult.

Martial arts adepts who can snap a slab of concrete as easily as a match stick - 99.9999% space.

Deepak Chopra tell s us "India, China, Japan and to a lesser extent the Christian west have given birth to sages who realised their essential nature as a flow of intelligence. By preserving that flow and nurturing it year after year, they overcame entropy from a deeper level of nature. In India, the flow of intelligence is called prana (usually translated as life force), which can be increased and decreased at will, moved here and there, and manipulated to keep the physical body orderly and young".

More about spiritual adepts when we get to that section.

Scientists say the quantum realm is full of quirkiness and uncertainty. One such quirk is that the vibrating energy/particle exists as a probability wave and depends on being observed to find it's space/time position - the observer is an important part of the equation - what does this mean to our every day reality? How much power do you have to shape your reality - a quote I once read springs to mind "The Universe rearranges itself to suit your version of reality".

At the quantum level everything is possible!

The next viewpoint that has helped me to feel the possibility Radical Healthy Life Extension / Physical Immortality is alternative medicine. This area is growing rapidly - new ways of achieving and maintaining health are being developed all the time. Many branches of alternative medicine are based on vibrational energy similar to

Einsteinian quantum physics. Many eastern countries and indigenous cultures knew of this reality long before western science. The ancient Rishis in India knew of sub-atomic particles many years before the birth of Christ. The chakra system from India, the acupuncture meridian system from China, colour therapy from the Egyptians and others, flower essences used by the native American and Australian aboriginal people are all examples of vibrational energy medicine. These therapies seem to be manipulating energy at a quantum level.

Breathing techniques, such as Re-birthing, are also achieving significant healing. Leonard Orr, who created Re-birthing, is an Immortalist who came to this understanding through his own healing process during the mid 1960's. Sondra Ray, initially a student of Leonard Orr, has written a great book on Physical Immortality called "How to be Chic, Fabulous and Live Forever" - she says of Re-birthing that "Re-birthing is one of the main tools we use to purify ourselves. It is a simple breathing process that should be done only with highly trained Re-birthers who understand how the birth trauma and the death urge are related in a person's consciousness. Breathing in a connected, smooth, rhythmic, circular way in the presence of another Immortalist makes all the difference in the world. Your cells get happy. They become alive. Tremendous energy comes in, old death programming gets pushed out. ... Re-birthing, although it appears subtle is an extremely powerful and sacred process and should be done correctly. It should always be taught along with the concept of Physical Immortality ...".

Many healer's and self help writers are working with the spirit - mind - emotions - body connection to great effect. Louise Hay in her book "You Can Heal Your Life" suggests that belief systems which are not life affirming; blocked and distorted emotional expression and lack of connection to spiritual essence cause the majority of illnesses. Her books which include life affirming statements have improved the health and lives of countless people around the world.

The health of your body connected to thoughts, words and emotions. All within your power to effect! All within your power to create Life, Life and more Life!

I will now consider Radical Healthy Life Extension from the spiritual perspective. It pervades spiritual /religious traditions as Physical Immortality. The philosophy of Physical Immortality is one of living from an open, loving heart; being focused in the now, creating much joy, abundance and freedom. Throughout spiritual literature advanced Immortals are reported to be able to dematerialise and rematerialise their bodies at will, teleport from place to place and manifest whatever material requirement they have from "thin air". They have perfected Liberty and can move from dimension to dimension taking their physical body with them. The Immortalist writer Annalee Skarin said that "Death was the dingy back door entrance to the heavenly realms".

Most of the major religions, if one delves deeply enough, contain evidence of a physically immortal impulse. The Judaic - Christian religion claims the following advanced Immortals - Enoch, Elijah, Melchizedek, Moses, Jesus, Mary and John the Disciple. Robert Coon's excellent book "Physical Immortality: History, Theory and Techniques" gives us further insights - "Enoch is considered the oldest physically immortal being in our western tradition. His bodily translation is mentioned in Genesis and in Hebrews in the New Testament ... after becoming familiar with Immortalist concepts - study the gospel of John in the New Testament, concise statements about Physical Immortality leap forth from almost every chapter. Consider these lines from chapter 8: Know the truth and the truth will set you free! I tell to you the Truth, if a man keeps my teachings, he will never see death. I find it most peculiar that those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible manage to explain away all of the innumerable references to bodily Immortality as meaning something other than what is plainly there! ... Elijah is the most prominent Immortal in Jewish Esoteric traditions, there are many reports of him materialising in the flesh to devout Hassidic Rabi's in Eastern Europe. All Master's of Cabala claim to have mastered their art from face - to - face meetings with Elijah. True Cabala is

always an oral tradition passed from Immortal to student ... In contemporary Christian Esoteric thought, there is a strong tradition which says that there is an inner church descending from John which preserves the truth of Physical Immortality. When this inner church re-unites with the outer lineage descending from Peter and Paul, then Christ's true teachings on Everlasting Life will be understood and welcomed by the world!".

The Mormon religion speaks of the 3 Nephi Immortals. In the Book of Mormon Nephi - Chapter 28 - there is a story of Jesus asking the 12 Disciples he had in the America's what they would like from him before he leaves. Three of them want Physical Immortality, Jesus says "Therefore, more blessed are ye, for ye shall never taste of death". The story goes on to say of the three Nephi that - "they were cast into the prison by them who did not belong to the church. And the prisons could not hold them, for they were rent in twain ... and thrice they were cast into a furnace and received no harm. And twice they were cast into a den of wild beasts; and behold they did play with the beasts as a child with a suckling lamb, and received no harm ...".

The Taoist Religion, founded by the Immortal Lao Tzu, claims many Immortals. According to Robert Coon the T'u shu chi ch'eng, a general encyclopaedia published in 1726, contains the biographies of over 1000 Immortals.

The Japanese Shinto prophet Munetada has these teachings about Physical Immortality - "When the heart of the Divine and the heart of man are One, this is Eternal Life, then there is no such thing as death. If you foster a spirit that regards both good and evil as blessings, then the body spontaneously becomes healthy. In Truth the Way is easy. He who spends his day in thankfulness grows neither old nor weary. He knows only Joy and Happiness. Oh the Joy of those who take the teaching of the Way of the Gods; for them there is neither youth nor age. If the heart is open, then there is no such thing as pain. Thus one will find only happiness and thankfulness in all things".

Many other areas of spiritual wisdom are explored in Robert Coon's book "Physical Immortality; History, Theory and Techniques". I will conclude this section with a word from Robert - "Immortal's make no apologies for being absolutely in love with Life! .... Immortal philosophy and experience unites the Creator and the Creation into One, Divine Whole. The body is experienced as the most sacred temple of truth which is destined never to be destroyed. All matter is sacred, alive and Divine. The Divine is absolutely attached to Life! ... "

Now you have seen why I feel Physical Immortality is possible - lets move on to the next question.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO RADICAL HEALTHY LIFE EXTENSION OR PHYSICALLY IMMORTALITY?

THE VISION

At this point, I would like you to take a few minutes to visualise or imagine for yourself what it would be like to be Physically Immortal. Close your eyes and see yourself vibrantly healthy and Physically Immortal. At least 60% of the people in your community are also Physically Immortal. What does it feel like? What changes do you sense within the community?

When we do this exercise in my seminars, people report feeling a deep peace and joy. They are free from fear and tension, they can relax completely.

The peace envisioned is not dull, boring peace but dynamic peace - full of excitement, creativity and fun!

What I see for the individual is a move away from struggle into flow and ease. Connecting fully with their own truth, direction and creativity.
Allowing themselves to be fully in their joy and

supporting others to do the same. Loving themselves and others unconditionally - ongoing health requires all of this to occur.

What do I envision for the community? More time to play - be creative, play sport, sing, dance, be entertained. This trend has already begun in Western Countries over the last 40 years. Ben Bova makes this comment - "Will an ageing - but still vigourous - population create demands for new jobs? In states where large numbers of retirees live today, the entertainment, travel and sports industries are booming. Florida and Arizona, for example, boast more golf courses than hospitals. An ageing population does not automatically mean an economic slowdown. Instead it means a different mix of business opportunities. And jobs".

Can you imagine the money that could be redirected if people stop getting sick and incapacitated. To give you an idea here's Ben Bova again with some figures from America - "The Alliance For Ageing Research has estimated that if people over 65 could remain healthy and active the nation would save some 5 Billion Dollars per month in government and private spending for health care for the elderly".

Moving into a space of loving ourselves and others unconditionally will mean less money spent on defence weapons. When I was marching for peace in the early 1980's, it was estimated that the amount of money being spent on nuclear arms was 1 million dollars per minute. This money could be redirected to help educate and feed people in developing countries, the world would be transformed.

Herb Bowie in his book "Why Die - A Beginner's Guide to Living Forever" commences his book with his vision for "Immortality in the 21^st Century" - here's some passages - "2021 - Population Growth Stabilises - People who had been worried about over population by now realised that their fears had been misplaced. Although birth rates remained high in the diminishing number of relatively poor countries, they continued to decline in the richer countries and especially among the lifers. These declining birth rates more than made up for the decrease in death rates. It was not that these longer lived

people lost any interest in children - on the contrary, they seemed to enjoy them more than ever. At the same time, the Immortality groups offered a new social structure that allowed fewer children to be enjoyed by more people and allowed them to be shared across traditional family boundaries .... The declining birth rates also seemed to be caused by other more subtle factors ... Also, as people's lives lengthened, and the prospect of living even longer became more real, they seemed less driven to achieve Immortality through their offspring. Finally, the adult lifers were more child like themselves, and seemed to rely less on the presence of children for that quality of joy so often associated with childhood ... 2027: Work Lives Change Dramatically - Widespread changes had taken place in people's working lives. Fears of a huge population of retired senior citizens utterly depleting their various pensions and retirement funds had proven ironically unfounded. Research, in fact, had confirmed many people's suspicions that retirement was inherently incompatible with radical life extension ... 2048: Global Environment Improves ... These technological advances were some of the factors contributing to a gradual turn around of the environmental decline that had plagued the world since the beginning of the industrial revolution. A more immediate cause though was the increased motivation of the voting population to do something about these problems. The simple truth was that asking people to save the earth for future generations had never worked very well. Now that people were concerned with saving it for themselves, they focused on the issues at hand with insistence ... the United Nations in this year announced that, for the first time since they began tracking the relevant statistics, the earth's environment had actually improved over the past year. The hard work was not over, but the world had turned the corner ...... 2062: A New World Order - Scientists had firmly established that emotions of human suppression, prejudice and hostility were life threatening for the subjects as well as the object of these feelings. This realisation had gradually replaced strong feelings of racism, nationalism and separatism with an expanding acceptance of all human beings as fellow citizens of the world ... it was in this year that all the countries of the world turned their national defence systems over to the control of the United Nations, to be used for peace keeping missions only ..."

Will we be building a heaven on earth with this Vision? I feel we will.

Ben Bova says - "In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ exhorts the multitude, "Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5.48) Might we dare to interpret this as a command to become the best we can, not only morally but physically, mentally, emotionally? Might not Christ be telling us that we are expected to build heaven here on earth, to reach for perfection, here and now?

Might not heaven be a place and a time that we build for ourselves, the way an eager, intelligent child builds a sand castle on the beach under the watchful eye of his protective father?"

Robert Coon in his book "The Science of Everlasting Life" says - "During this Millenium, heaven on earth shall be created. Death shall be abolished from the human race ... The millenium is the culmination and result of all spiritual endeavours from every culture and time ... how long will it take for Paradise to be established within this millennium? As soon as now - or as long as 2000 years? The rapidity with which pain, suffering and death are abolished, and universal, joyous Immortality established is directly dependant on how fast and effectively the Science and Art of Everlasting Life is communicated to all Beings!"

The vision is powerful - if it excites you, you will want to move onto the next section of techniques for life enhancement!

HOW DO I CREATE LIFE, LIFE AND MORE JOYOUS LIFE?

To answer this question, I will present life affirming ideas and techniques in the four categories: Spiritual, Mental, Emotional and Physical. There is, of course, no separation between these levels - when we use techniques to energise ourselves at one level, it creates effects at all levels.

SPIRITUAL LEVEL

With Physical Immortality we are moving from the Spiritual Law of Karma to the Law of Grace.

Law of Karma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law of Grace

Forgiveness/Gratitude

Praise

Love

The Law of Karma - "As we sow so shall we reap", "An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth". This law of cause and effect has created much hatred, resentment and retribution which has led to pain, suffering and death. By using the energies of forgiveness/gratitude, praise and love we transcend the Karmic Law and move into a State of Grace.

We are cosmic script writers - with Karma we create murder mysteries, war and horror movies, soap opera's and emotional dramas of the highest order. With Grace - romantic comedies, enchantment movies, travel adventures and musicals become popular. Review your own cosmic script, maybe it needs a rewrite!

Praise, Love and Gratitude are very powerful qualities to embrace. They will move you from Karma to Grace. Praise the Divine in all things. Robert Coon in his book "The Science of Everlasting Life" says - "Praise is a fiery energy that purifies. Cultivate an enthusiastic spiritual fire within and bathe and anoint all creation with this cleansing flame. Praise glorifies the Creation and reveals the Immortal presence of the Creator".

Unconditional love of self and all others allows freedom of expression. Once we love every aspect of ourselves unconditionally we automatically love others unconditionally.

Gratitude is very powerful for moving from Karma to Grace. Robert Coon in his book "Voyage to Avalon" has this to say - "As you explore the subterranean recesses of the heart, let the lamp of joyous gratitude light thy way ... often you experience the same Karmic event time after time until you react with gratitude - only then do you make the evolutionary jump to new dimensions of life. The Law of Grace is far more powerful than the Law of Karma .... ".

Gratitude multiplies blessings. Start using gratitude for the good things in your life, see your focus change and the blessings in your life increase. Gratitude allows you to see the cup half full, not half empty.

For the situations that are causing difficulty, use the "Gratitude Bubble",

1) Spend a couple of minutes being grateful from the heart for your blessings.

2) Visualise the difficult situation or person, bring it into your heart if possible.

3) Say or think "Thank you for this situation. I now choose to let this go".

When you commence the "Gratitude Bubble" exercise you will probably not be able to have genuine gratitude radiating from your heart about the difficulty. However, all you need is a willingness to be grateful - the more you do it, the more the understanding will come and you will start to feel true gratitude. The situation will resolve.

Forgiveness is a stepping stone to gratitude. When we become aware that every event in our lives is giving us valuable lessons and insights, we realise there is nothing to forgive. We learn to take responsibility for drawing certain events to ourselves. We,

also, realise that we can learn through JOY and no longer need to learn through pain and suffering.

MENTAL LEVEL

The most important first step at the mental level is to "BELIEVE PHYSICAL IMMORTALITY IS POSSIBLE!". This opens the way for you to draw information and people to you to assist you in your quest for more life. The old adage "If you believe you can't - you won't, if you believe you can - you will" is very appropriate here. The people who believed that humanity would never create a successful "flying machine" did not invent one!

Another important area to challenge at the mental level is ‘Ageing'. I believe what we call ‘ageing' is actually a chronic dis-ease that we have accepted. Because we believed "death was inevitable" we created a way of fading out of life slowly - "ageing". If we liken our life force to a fully open stream of water - we turned the tap off slowly. It's time to challenge this chronic dis-ease - do not accept anything as a symptom of ‘ageing', see a health professional (at this stage alternative practitioners are usually more helpful in this area) if you can't sort out the imbalance yourself. When I was working as a medical doctor, I had people who had only been in this incanation 26 years say to me that whatever was ailing them "must be their age"!

From his book "Ageless Body Timeless Mind" here is what Deepak Chopra says - "Because the mind influences every cell in the body, human ageing is fluid and changeable, it can speed up, slow down, stop for a time, and even reverse itself. Hundreds of research findings from the last three decades have verified that ageing is much more dependant on the individual than was ever dreamed of in the past ... to challenge ageing at it's core, this entire world view must be challenged first, for nothing holds more power, over the body than beliefs of the mind."

He goes on to say many pages later " .... We need to overturn the beliefs supported by fear. In place of the belief that your body decays with time, nurture the belief that your body is new at every moment. In place of the belief that your body is a mindless machine, nurture the belief that your body is infused with the deep intelligence of life, whose sole purpose is to sustain you. These new beliefs are not just nicer to live with they are true - we experience the joy of life through our bodies, so it is only natural to believe that our bodies are not set against us but want what we want."

Sondra Ray in "How to be Chic, Fabulous and Live Forever" has this to say about the belief in death and ageing - " ... who would want to live forever in a body that was old, decrepit, and full of pain? Nobody .... But do you know that your body is full of pain, or has any pain, because you are hanging onto the death urge in the first place? Trying to live while holding onto the thought that death is inevitable is like driving a car forward with the gears in reverse and/or with the brakes on. Eventually it just will not work. The body cannot resolve that conflict in the mind. It is getting mixed instructions. Since all pain is the effort involved in clinging to a negative thought, and since the worst anti-life negative thought is death (the opposite of life), then you can begin to see how death thoughts and old age thoughts lead to pain ..."

A study was done in 1976, by psychologist Ellen Langer and her team at Harvard, which demonstrates the power of the mind to reverse ageing. Deepak Chopra describes this study in "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind" - "The subjects, all 75 or older and in good health, were asked to meet for a weeks retreat at a country resort. They were informed in advance that they would be given a battery of physical and mental exams, but in addition one unusual stipulation was placed upon them; they were not allowed to bring any newspapers, magazines, books or family photos dated later than 1959. The purpose of this odd request became clear when they arrived - the resort had been set up to duplicate life as it was 20 years earlier. Instead of magazines from 1979, the reading tables held issues of Life and Saturday Evening Post from 1959. The only music played was 20 years old, and in keeping with this flashback, the men were

asked to behave entirely as if the year were 1959. All talk had to refer to events and people of that year. Every detail of their week in the country was geared to make each subject feel, look, talk and behave as he had in his mid 50's.

During this period, Langer's team made extensive measurements of the subjects biological age. Gerontologists have not been able to fix the precise markers that define biological age, as I noted earlier, but a general profile was compiled for each man using measurements of physical strength, posture, perception, cognition and short term memory along with thresholds of hearing, sight and taste.

The Harvard team wanted to change the context in which these men saw themselves. The premise of their experiment was that seeing oneself as old or young directly influences the ageing process itself. To shift their context back to 1959 the researchers had their subjects wear ID photo's taken 20 years before - the group learned to identify one another through these pictures rather than present appearance, they were instructed to talk exclusively in the present tense of 1959 ("I wonder if President Eisenhower will go with Nixon next election"); their wives and children were referred to as if they were also 20 years younger; although all the men were retired, they talked about their careers as if they were still in full swing.

The results of this playacting were remarkable. Compared to a control group that went on retreat but continued to live in the world of 1979, the make believe group improved in memory and manual dexterity. They were more active and self sufficient about such things as taking their own food at meals and cleaning up their rooms, behaving much more like 55 year olds than 75 year olds (many had become dependant on younger family members to perform everyday tasks for them).

Perhaps the most remarkable change had to do with aspects of ageing that were considered irreversible. Impartial judges who were asked to study before and after pictures of the men detected that their faces looked visibly younger by an average of three years. Measurements of finger length, which tends to

shorten with age, indicated that their fingers had lengthened, stiffened joints were more flexible and posture had started to straighten as it had in younger years. The control group also showed some improvements (Langer explained this by the fact that going on a trip and being treated specially made them feel younger too). But the control group actually declined in certain markers such as manual dexterity and finger length. Intelligence is considered fixed in adults, yet over half of the experimental group showed increased intelligence over the five days of their return to 1959, while a quarter of the control group declined in IQ test scores.

Professor Langer's study was a landmark in proving that the so called irreversible signs of ageing could be reversed using psychological intervention."

What a stunning experiment! Those results were obtained in five days! Pause for a few moments and let the meaning of this sink in. These men "youthed" significantly in five days. Become aware of your thoughts, words and actions - they all create results in your reality. Are they contributing to vitality and life or sickness, ageing and death? Positive, life affirming statements commonly known as affirmations, repeated over and over reprograms the subconscious. Louise Hay's "You Can Heal Your Life" contains many wonderful affirmations. Start dismantling your social conditioning today, reprogram your subconscious and watch the miracles begin!

EMOTIONAL LEVEL

For Physical Immortality the heart needs to be fully open, unconditionally loving. All the emotions that are not love need to be released. That is, the emotions based on fear - hate, sadness, anger, resentment, jealousy and so on. Because most of these emotions were judged "socially unacceptable" we have tended to suppress and store these feelings. We learn to respect these feelings, understand them and let them go. Many life enhancing modalities will assist you with this. I found Aura Soma therapy a very powerful tool for my emotional allowing and understanding. It is a colour therapy which also uses the energies of essential oils, herbs and crystals. A wonderful and

very beautiful medium. I have also had some powerful bodywork sessions..

Music, toning and singing are exciting and joyous ways to explore your emotions. The sound of music has always been very close to my heart!

Breathing techniques are also useful. Robert Coon teaches some interesting ones. Rebirthing, as mentioned in the section on alternative medicine, is a powerful healing tool using the breath.

Sondra Ray from her book "Loving Relationships" has this reminder-"When you finally give up an (old destructive) pattern---

You might feel sad

You might feel lonely

You might feel confused and uncertain

You might feel lost

You might even miss that negative mental mass

You might feel it is like a "little death"

This will pass

Don't fill that void with another problem.

Fill it with LOVE".

PHYSICAL LEVEL

The first suggested nutritional requirement for an immortalist is to become a vegetarian. Immortals consider all life sacred,so a move away from requiring the death of animals is the first step.

The possible progression is as follows:--

Vegetarian > Vegan > Raw food Vegan >

Fruitarian > Breatharian .

Advanced immortals are believed to be breatharian i.e. all energy and nutrition is derived from divine prana or life force.

If we remember from quantum physics that everything is composed of intelligent energy - the breatharian is utilising this intelligent energy as a source of nutrition. Therese Neumann was a Catholic saint who did not eat for around 26 years - she was breatharian but not immortal. India claims many yogis who do not need to eat or drink. In Autobiography Of A Yogi , the author Paramahansa Yogananda , speaks of his visit with Therese Neumann and other breatharian yogis.

In scientific studies ,"eating less" i.e. much reduced calorie intake, has been proven to significantly increase the life span of laboratory animals.

Exercise is important. Children call exercise play --- we need to cultivate this same feeling. Move your body with joy. Body honouring systems such as Tai Chi , yoga and intuitive dance are worth exploring. Weight bearing exercises and walking have been proven scientifically to be of benefit.

Peter Kelder's book Ancient Secrets of The Fountain of Youth has a series of five Tibetan Rites (exercises) which are quite easy to perform.Many people have reported great benefit from these.

Your sexuality/sensuality is an integral part of your being. You may find the exploration of Tantra useful

Your physical body is as sacred and worthy of respect as your spirit - you are a miracle at every level of your being. Treat yourself - body,mind,heart,spirit - all ONE - with the utmost love and respect.

CONCLUSION

The philosophy of Radical healty life extension /Physical Immortality improves your quality of life NOW. All we have is the present moment. Anything that improves our level of vitality, health and fun in the now moment, I believe is worthy of consideration. Robert Coon predicts that by 2065 the Health Department will be recommending Physical Immortality. Try out this philosophy for a few hundred years! See how it feels. For me it feels so good after 16 years, I can only imagine what a few hundred would feel like!

Belinda Carlisle in her song "Heaven is a place on Earth", says ---" In this world we're just beginning to understand the MIRACLE OF LIVING ......

Ooh heaven is a place on earth."

The earth is singing a new song --- the possibilities are endless. As the advanced Immortal, Jesus said " Even the least among you can do all that I have done and even greater things."

If you would like more info visit vivaever.gaia.com

Metaphysical manifesto

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:30:17 GMT

Physicists, mostly, are realistic reductionist Copernicist mathematicists.

Realism is the prejudice that there is a universe out there, distinct from, but in communication with the physicist(1), and that understanding of this universe ought to be obtained by careful observation(2).

Reductionism is the prejudice that in order to understand complicated thingsit helps to understand its simpler parts(3).

Copernicism is the prejudice that the universe doesn’t care about the physicist’s tastes and preferences(4): the universe will keep going its own way as physicists fall for fads and fashions. In short, you are neither the center, nor at the center, of the universe.

Mathematicism is the prejudice that we can describe and, with luck, predict phenomena using the rules of the mathematical game(5); and that the universe deigns to conform to the rules of human mathematics(6).

All these prejudices may be wrong(7), but I will stick to them until they are clearly wrong.

By: Prof. Dr. R.H.P. Kleiss

From: 'The physics of Spacetime' - R.H.P. Kleiss - 12-04-2006

Footnotes at text:

1: Denying this is solipsism: the solipsist cannot be proven wrong by logical argument, but is, perhaps for that very reason, not a nice person to be with.

2: Denying this disqualifies one from doing physics (but not from doing mathematics); in extreme forms it can lead to revelationism and religious fundamentalism.

3: Do not be misled by fashionable slogans like ‘holism’, ‘complexity’, or ‘self-organization’. In the language we are using here, holims just states that the simplest part of a thing may happen to be the thing itself; complexity just states that simple things obeying simple rules may actually result in something pretty complicated-looking; and self-organization just states that the complicatedlooking result may actually be pretty robust. The Pseudo-Scientific New Ager will sit back and be impressed by the complicated-looking result; the scientist will be impressed by the simplicity of the parts and rules. The science of complexity is not the antithesis of reductionism, but an extreme case of it.

4: Do not be misled by fashionable slogans like ’observer effect’,’collapse of the wavefunction’, or ’the measurement problem’. Observer effect just states that the physicist, after all, is unavoidably part of the universe, and a separation between self and the universe is an idealization; collapse of the wavefunction just states that as the status of the self changes because of information gained
from the universe, it should not come as a surprise that the status of the universe also changes; the measurement problem just states that at present it is not yet completely clear how these status changes are to be explained reductionistically.

5: After centuries of brainwashing by physics’ successes, it is extremely hard for us even to conceive of any other way of doing it.

6: An undeserved but very fortunate condescension! This behaviour cannot be proven, but so far we have been succesful. On the other hand, it may mean that our mathematics has hit upon some fundamental actual properties of the world—in that case, an alien thechnology-based civilization on a distant planet would probably do mathematics the same way.

7: An open mind is a good thing, but a prejudice such as ‘do not jump out of this high window, because gravity always works’ sees you safely through the day.

Physical immortality - the choice is yours

http://vivaever.gaia.com — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:20:18 GMT

I was just updating this article i wrote a while back thought i'd share it with you all - thoughts/feelings anyone?

PHYSICAL IMMORTALITY - THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
>
> by Janni Lloyd
>
> >
> Throughout the ages, pioneers have been challenging the accepted
> belief systems of the populace, and producing major evolutionary
> leaps. `The Earth is the centre of the Universe' gave way to the
> understanding that the Earth revolves around the Sun - even though
> the Sun still appeared to the eye to move around the Earth. `The
> Earth is flat' gave way when Columbus did not fall off the edge.
The
> Wright Brothers also flew us into another reality, as have
countless
> others over time.
>
>     `Physical death is inevitable' will become as obsolete as some
of
> those previous belief systems. We are moving from the Piscean aeon
to
> the Aquarian aeon - each aeon lasting around two thousand years.
With
> the Aquarian aeon, Physical Immortality will become `an idea whose
> time has come'. What has been available to the individual will
become
> available to the masses - we are in the process of an evolutionary
> leap of the mass consciousness.
>   'Physical death is a choice'- a combination of theology and
science
> can give one a starting point with this new belief system. Most
> people who have opened to their spirituality in this new age accept
> that they have a spiritual body which is eternal - the spiritual
body
> separating from the physical or material body during the death
> process. Most of these same people also now accept that matter is
> composed of energy or consciousness or `thinking non-stuff' to
quote
> Deepak Chopra. To put it simply, when we get to a sub-atomic
quantum
> level all matter is essentially `spirit'. With physical
immortality,
> spirit/matter becomes one entity co-operatively organising and
> experiencing the play of life - thus physical death becomes
> unnecessary.
>
>     Sondra Ray in her book `How to be chic, fabulous and live
> forever' likens our spiritual, mental and physical bodies to steam,
> water and ice, all the same substance just vibrating at a different
> rate. Medical science and scientific research are also very rapidly
> moving us towards physical immortality. The areas of gene therapy,
> regeneration/cloning of organs and nanotechnology, in particular,
are
> highlighting this choice.
>
>     Many individuals are historically reported to have achieved
> physical immortality. These include Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Jesus,
> Mary, Lao Tse, Babaji, Count St Germain to name just a few
Twentieth
> century immortals include Fulcanelli the alchemist. Advanced
> immortals are reported to be able to teleport their physical body
> from place to place, and dimension to dimension.
>
>     Having a physically immortal body is the ultimate freedom. One
> can remain on the Earth plane as long as one chooses, and
eventually
> learn to move to other dimensions - with the choice to come back
and
> forth at will. The immortalist writer, Annalee Skarin say "Death is
> the dingy back door entrance to the heavenly realms."
>
>     Sondra Ray in her book `Inner Communion' talks more about the
> advantages of choosing LIFE - "Some people will say - I would not
> want to live forever because I want to go to a higher place." And
> yet, you do not necessarily go to a higher place just because you
> drop your body. Consciousness, when departing from the body seeks
its
> own level. There is no escape from yourself. Death is no solution.
> Other people say "I don't want to live forever because it is too
> painful." The reason it is too painful for them to be in the
physical
> body is because of the death urge. Therefore, mastering Physical
> Immortality IS the solution to manifesting a body free of
> pain.             This is the `Catch 22'... the secret of the ages.
> People who are sick obviously do not want to live forever, and yet
> mastering Physical Immortality is the way to heal sickness. In
fact,
> all healing is temporary until you heal death.     We could teach
> people to heal themselves of all the diseases they created (because
> what you create you can uncreate), BUT if they don't heal death,
they
> will just make up a new way to kill themselves. It becomes clear
that
> all death is suicide. There is an alternative to aging and death
and
> that is youthing and mastering the mind and body so that you can
keep
> it as long as you like by the power of your mind. If you can learn
to
> rejuvenate your body and youth it (which you can), and if you can
> learn to have and maintain Pure Joy (which you can), then you might
> want to learn to master Physical Immortality. The quality of your
> life would immediately improve.'
>
>     The techniques that i feel help one ttransition to a
Physically
> Immortal body are many and varied. Here's a few to get you started.
> On the mental level, start believing it is possible. As Wayne Dyer
> says `You'll see it when you believe it.' The `believing' will, in
> time, become a `knowing'. Become aware of and release death
oriented
> patterns of thinking, speaking and behaviour. Affirmations of life
> and joy are useful. On the spiritual level, use the three laws of
> Physical Immortality - The law of PRAISE, the law of LOVE and the
law
> of GRATITUDE. These are powerful laws, particularly the law of
> gratitude. Here is what Robert Coon, who has been teaching and
> writing about Physical Immortality for over 30 years, says about
> gratitude in his book, "The Science of Everlasting Life"-
"Gratitude
> is the most powerful attitude of Being, the Great Be-attitude.
> Mastery of Gratitude leads to the overcoming of all things. The
> energies of gratitude multiply many fold as they are sent out from
> your heart. As these energies are released, they uplift the atoms
and
> cells of your physical body. Develop your outpouring of Gratitude
> until it is a mighty river radiating from your heart 24 hours a
day.
> Pure gratitude is a real energy whose frequency is incorruptible
and
> Christed. Tzadkiel, the Archangel of Jupiter, is the principal
angel
> of Gratitude in the Cabala. The gratitude that you send out
> eventually returns to you, many times multiplied, as spiritual
light
> or divine substance. This light enters your body and mind and
> illuminates your Way. Every Spiritual Law can be expressed as a
> Divine Promise.
>
> DIVINE PROMISE: You who are grateful in all things shall be filled
> with light and comprehend all things.'
> Open to the state of grace - using the energies of praise, love
and
> gratitude for EVERYTHING in your life will move you from the law of
> karma to the law of grace.
> Life affirming meditations and vision quests are also helpful.
>
>     On the emotional level, one needs to move towards unconditional
> love of self by removing blocks from childhood and past lives. Many
> techniques can assist with this eg. Rebirthing, past life
regression,
> aromatherapy, aura soma therapy, flower essences, and many forms of
> body work. Leonard Orr, the father of rebirthing, says that
> rebirthing will ultimately lead to physical immortality Breathing
> techniques in general are very powerful. Unconditional love of
self
> leads to unconditional love and non - judgement of others.
>
>     On the physical level, love and enjoy the miraculous creation
> that is your body. Honour your body's wisdom. Nutrionally,
> vegetarianism may become appealing. Move your body with joy and
fun.
> Be flexible in every area of your life and your body will remain
> supple.
>
>     In an article in `Golden Age' magazine, Leonard Orr said: "The
> three basic causes of death are:
>
> (1) Ignorance - people never question or think about it.
> (2) Emotional energy pollution - people don't learn how to clean
> their energy body - they don't take spiritual purification
seriously.
> (3) Poor diet - most people eat themselves to death.
>     Remember - if Physical Immortality is your choice, the WAY will
> be revealed! Whoever said, "Death is a GRAVE mistake" may not have
> been joking!
>
>

>
>
>
>

Re: Do you believe in Clearing Space to make room?

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:38:31 GMT

re this matter, found myself considering the archetypes here, creating space and all.
The biblical Job and The count of Monticristo came to mind.
As i understand it, they both had space form about them, their being emptied of all superfluity.
Dont feel able to establish their "overcomming" in order to move on to greater integrity and fullfillment.
The ordeals endured would make sense if that were so.
Any thoughts you might care to share on this.

Re: Do you believe in Clearing Space to make room?

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:04:13 GMT

Now if we are speaking in a spiritual sense of course there is no such thing as not enough room. We are of the Universe and therefore have infinite capacity spiritually. However I feel the most important part of having the infinite capacity and making everything inside of us work for us is what priority we put on things within.

For instance if we put more priority on being right than on being happy...we will struggle. If we put more priority on what we think others think than on asking them about their thoughts we will struggle, if we put more priority on amassing financial wealth than on amassing spiritual then also financial wealth then we struggle...I suppose what I'm saying is that there is room for everything and more but the real question is on what things do we place the most importance?

Think about it. How many people do you know that place more importance on the past and what someone did to them than they put on the now when they can forgive them and begin anew? How many people do you know that place more importance on fearing the unknown than they do on living in the now? How many people do you know that put more importance on creating drama around them than on finding a calm happy place to exist regardless of what is going on around them? We are a part of ALL THAT IS and our capacity is infinite but we must choose what we value and therefore how we are being.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: Possibilities.

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:54:57 GMT

Personally I think that in Universe such as we exist in that there could ever be anything that isn't possible. With every single fact I learn about our planet, about the capability of humans, about the Universe I am more and more and more convinced that anything is possible. Furthermore I have found through personal experience that the more I believe a thing is possible the easier it is to manifest it in my life. The belief is just as important, if not more important, than the intent in my experience.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: Do you believe in Clearing Space to make room?

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:49:16 GMT

Yes Cheryl. I agree. If a thing dont get used in a set cycle of seasonal usage , then, it aint earning it's keep. Not justifying the space it occupies.
Space, with this encroaching appendages of the world, takes on a new value.

Re: Do you believe in Clearing Space to make room?

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:33:04 GMT

As i understand it, astrologically speaking, the last house is the opportunity to dump superfluous baggage, possibly,and alternativily, lumping it around for another session
After hat , one is entering into a new cycle where the superfluous "stuff" will need to be dragged along.
Take the best and leave the rest.
Dont be a sucker, kicking against the pricks.

Possibilities.

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:23:16 GMT

Is it possible that absolutely any thing is possible? .

Re: The Bleep by implication.

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:08:15 GMT

Well hello there Deb. It's so wonderful to connect again. I've not been very active here at Gaia but then again I've not received many comments in my inbox from Gaia either. It is nice thought to be here again.

I couldn't agree with you more my friend. I like to think that we are all exactly where and who we are supposed to be at any given time. Now some may see that attitude as a method to avoid feeling compassion for those less fortunate but compassion has nothing to do with it when one tries to understand the Universe and it's infinite possibilities. To each their own path and so it is...

As you have obviously observed those who appear to have less in our world today are typically those who are the most in touch with the things that really truly matter in life. I don't know when our society started using financial worth as such a tape measure for a human beings worth but it seems that throughout our planets history, at least the last several centuries, those who have 'more' have judged and then trod over with glee those who appear to have less of the material. I feel very strongly that one day as we all grow closer to awareness of the ONE and of One another we will figure out a way to have all that 'stuff' and to also have the simple love and life that so many native cultures have managed to keep alive. After all it is an abundant Universe and each and every one of us is infinitely deserving of abundance in ALL things aren't we? Perhaps one day EVERYONE will understand about expectations and beliefs so that poverty, war, hunger and all of that 'unpleasant' stuff will become non-existent. But then what would we human spirits learn from and grow from? Interesting question I suppose. We tend to want to avoid adversity in our lives yet it is adversity that makes us stronger, if we choose to grow stronger, and it's adversity that is the fertilizer for our spiritual growth...again that is if we choose to grow in spirit by living in the now and leaving the past behind.

It's wonderful to hear from you again...I must begin anew my participation here at Gaia.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: The Bleep by implication.

http://yhd52754.gaia.com — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:17:32 GMT

Hi Cheryl,

This was my first pod and you were already there then. Nice to catch up with you again.

It is always the defensive mechanism when faced with the reality that we are each responsible beings, to seek out some "poor, wretched" example of humanity and say, they couldn't possibly choose that? or why would any one want to experience that? I've heard this one so many times, it's almost predictable and perhaps a common stopping point on many paths. It is a diversion and an excuse - if one can see that - all wrapped up in a pretty bow of "caring".

I often like to say "God (or whatever symbolic word you like for the All that Is) knows wholly what I can know only in part". It's so true and No, I don't have all the answers to the BIG WHY.

I think what some miss, when they over rely on forms that are always temporary, to be their solid rock, is that abundance, objects, prosperity, plenty to eat, decent shelter, safety and etc don't guarantee happiness and that some who live in what we call poverty, so simply, without so much that we think essential, may be more present in their NOW, less encumbered by "worry and anxiety and stress" and more full of Joy and more connected to their fellow beings and the natural world, than many of us in the countries of No America and Europe and others who are "well off" will ever be, due to our more complex lives and our dysfunctional mental usage. These "unfortunates" might marvel at the idea that we would choose our "easy" lives.

So, hard as it is to believe in some circumstances, from the vantage point of being outside looking in, I continue to believe life unfolds according to our expectations and beliefs (and the needs of our spiritual self to fully develop). I do what comes naturally and don't worry about the rest for - All is Well - if only we could see.

Deborah

Re: The Bleep by implication.

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:07:52 GMT

Very interesting point and question if I understand you correctly Leo.

Your question as to who would consciously choose a 3rd world environment is a great one. I'm thinking perhaps that the conscious mind of course would NEVER choose such an environment especially if one already had an inkling that life would be much more difficult there than in other environments. BUT it has been my personal experience that we would hardly choose it consciously when it comes to the environment we are born into. As for the environment we move to or want to be in as we grow older that as well isn't chosen consciously until we are 'aware' that we do have a conscious choice and until we become aware that we are only limited by the limits we place on ourselves. How many people do you personally know who are not happy with the geographical place they live and only tolerate it because that is where the job they thought they needed to have in order to be financially successful was? Living here in Oregon I run across that all of the time with people who literally hate all the rain and the nature and all of those inconvenient aspects of our environment but who remain here because this is where the money is. Not saying that people in a third world country are in this mind set...just giving an example of the conscious choices we make that we don't even see as conscious.

There is a factor not mentioned in your comment and that factor is what we subconsciously choose for our lives as a result of how we see ourselves and what we subconsciously feel we deserve or don't deserve to have. I seriously doubt if you'll find very many people who remain in a situation of poverty and hunger and other issues who subconsciously view themselves as divine beings who not only deserve better but who can and will do ANYTHING to improve their circumstances. Its a choice to be victims or to be creators.

I spent the first 35 years or so of my life as a victim. I was a victim because that was how I viewed myself and it was just something I accepted without question. When I started to become aware of 'self-awareness' and of the possibilities I no longer saw myself as a victim and now even if something happens that I have little or no control over I perservere and I end up victorious because I am not a victim and I can achieve anything no matter how tough things might get.

I feel that once we accept ownership of how we view ourselves we then can begin to have ownership over such things as poverty, hunger, living in a war torn country and all other aspects of being a human being. Does this mean that I don't need to be compassionate for others who are still unaware? Well that's what I'm working on right now...judgment of those who are still willingly unaware of their omnipotent power to create for themselves the life they want...those who remain a victim because it's just easier that way. I know I should not judge others yet I catch myself doing it all of the time...I am a work in progress however and will beat this conditioning from so many lifetimes.

People get out of those third world countries all of the time and the move to a place where they can become successful on every level...if one person can do this then anyone can.

Well that's my opinion anyway.

Blessings,
Cheryl

The Bleep by implication.

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:48:54 GMT

Enjoyed the viewing at a number of levels, possibly as it focuses on positives, but, as has been mentioned in forum, by implication, the ownership of undesirable experience is of the subjects own creation. Are compassion as usefull. Perhaps, by synergy, the witnessing of another's plight is what is required for the viewer so that all appears orchestrated to achieve service delivery to all in the game. But, of those suffering, why would one do such to ones self ? Perhaps there are quirks within our natures which can trigger this in each of us ?
Who, even, would consciously choose an environment of 3rd world conflict , chaos and prevailing unhappiness. Sounds like the train of thought that leads to racism. None the less, find this diffucult to understand. Think, perhaps, there are scenario's of lives available to us upon entering this life. The egocentric consciousness of the entity might choose the skin to be donned. Fellow Gaia'ns, any thoughts for sharing. ?

Re: Power and Laws of the universe

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:46:50 GMT

You got it...like attracts like. So logically since everyone is unique what each individual attracts to their experience will not mirror what others are attracting.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: Power and Laws of the universe

http://medeadbugger.gaia.com — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:03:34 GMT

Hi every one
I am inclined to believe the universal laws and influences are tailored to each of our requirements by way of being harmonous or discordant reflecting our disposition relative to various issues. This appearing obvious in discipline like astrology.

Also, came across text in an Edgar Cayce biography where he descries scenario where some individuals are not subject to the same influences, or to a lesser degree as most others. As i remember these are more highly evolved and might have been 10% of peoples, perhaps not given to the same temptations and diversions as the rest of us.

Re: Power and Laws of the universe

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:31:29 GMT

I forgot to mention in my last response that understanding the Universal Laws and learning to live in a way that brings the greatest advantage to us is power. Knowledge is power.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: Power and Laws of the universe

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:29:57 GMT

Any Universal Law must by it's very nature of being Universal apply to everyone. However, we must remember that not everyone, every being, that exists is on the same spiritual journey moving at the same pace. Regardless of physical age we are all traveling in our own direction at our own rate but even then we are all subject to the Universal Laws. Just because we don't understand them and haven't learned how to abide by them for our own spiritual success doesn't mean that they don't apply to us. We will all come to understand them sooner or later. Sooner may be tomorrow for some and later may be ten thousand lifetimes in the future for some.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: Co-creating reality with restrictions of psychosis

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:26:19 GMT

I don't have the answers Kurt but they are out there. Perhaps you might like to research the Pulizer Prize winning mathematician John Nash who is a diagnosed schizophrenic who has learned to control his disease not with medications but with his mind. If you haven't seen the film 'A Beautiful Mind' I strongly suggest it to you. Perhaps it will inspire you since what one man can do another can do!

Good luck with your endeavors.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Power and Laws of the universe

http://kurt.gaia.com — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:54:34 GMT

Are all of these various laws we talk about applicable to everyone? Or do the powerful have greater access to these laws? In the end, doesn't one have to believe that so-called universal natural laws and so forth are not nearly as important as the little gut with no power needing to learn how to talk to the big guys with lots of power? Wouldn't that skill be more important in life and in helping you co-create your life than anything like the understanding of quantum physics or God's laws? In the end, isn't understanding power more important than anything else because if one ignore's or tries to go up against it, they have no voice in their own life or their life dwindles and diminishes into fruitless options.