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Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://jointhesecret.gaia.com — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:08:21 GMT

Forgiveness implies there is a position of "right" and "wrong", doesn't it? But perspective is relative. For instance, when I was a kid my parents disallowed many things which I felt at the time were unfair (ie a position to forgive). However 15+ years later, (and as a new parent of 4 weeks), my understanding is they did it for my "wellbeing". So the situation stayed the same but the perspective changed.

Therefore that's when the Law of Relativity kicks in. As mathmatically demonstrated by Einstein.

These concepts are respective of the observer. I think its fantastic if we can forgive but do we know the total situation or the relative one?

Some of these concepts are being discussed here.

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:32:55 GMT

Alex this quote is so sychronous for me.

Just last night I was wondering...what if each and every being woke up tomorrow morning and decided to begin life anew with no baggage from the past and no anxiety about the future but only a brand new fresh chance to be a connected, loving, compassionate, generous, emotionally healthy being? Better yet what if in addition to that every other being 'allowed' it to be without judgement about past choices but only taking everyone at face value based on what they are doing right now at this moment.

What a vision!

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://yhd52754.gaia.com — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:58:02 GMT

As a mom, this is so clear to me. Thank you for posting it.

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:03:34 GMT

We human beings often forget that we are all divine and that there are no 'bad' people...just good people who have become lost to their highest self.

Blessings,
Cher

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:00:19 GMT

Dear Brother White Wolf,

I think you handled it excellently. Resistence is only met by resistence. You did not protest. You did not resist. You only demonstrated what you would allow to happen and what you would not allow to happen.

It is often forgotten by us human beings that no one can take advantage of us without our permission and in this case you simply would not give your permission to be judged.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:53:14 GMT

I couldn't have said it better myself Alex. Good on ya mate!

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://seekerfinder.gaia.com — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:51:40 GMT

Jill,

I don't know how many times I've written very similar words expressing the exact same concepts. I learned long ago that forgiveness is for the person doing the forgiving and has nothing to do with the person being forgiven. To me forgiveness frees me of the burden of pain, suffering, resentment and even hatred that without forgiveness boils up like poison in our hearts and souls.

Great words and I love the plug analogy too. I've said so many times that holding a grudge or not forgiving someone gives our power over to whomever we feel has done us wrong and continues to give that other power over you until you let it go and forgive.

Blessings,
Cheryl

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://ClarityQuest.gaia.com — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:31:55 GMT

Came across a very beautiful quotation on forgiveness today... ...

“Forgiveness is the answer to the child's dream of a miracle by which what is broken is made whole again, what is soiled is made clean again.” ~ Dag Hammarskjold

ACTIONS AND REACTIONS

Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:43:56 GMT

This is one of my personal experiences I had while in prison, it is about how a situation was transform by acting and reacting from my heart...

One night I was on the phone talking to my son, and while I was talking I watched other men walk up to the entranceway to the restroom and there was another man sitting on the three-foot wall that went through the restroom. He was at the front of the entrance and when someone would walk up, the man sitting on the wall would look at him with a mean look on his face. When they saw his face they were afraid and would turn and walk away and not enter the restroom. The man on the wall was angry and he was a homosexual. He was the nicest man that there could be, but when he wanted to or when he wasn't feeling nice he was the meanest and baddest man in the unit. These men were so afraid that they would change their mind about going to the restroom.

When I got off the phone, I walked over and sat down beside this mad man, or this nice man who thought he was a mad man. He turned and looked at me and what a face! It looked like a pressure cooker that could explode at any time. I knew he was not a pressure cooker, so I said, "What's up, man?" He said, "I'm mad!" I saw through him and I said, "I know you are. What made you mad? Maybe I can help you." He said, "They made me mad and I am going to whip them." I said, "I'll help you. Who are they?" He said, "The guards." I said, "Man, the guards...I know you can whip some guards and I can too, but, man, we will not win in the end, and I don't want to see you get hurt because you are too nice of a person and you don't deserve it. How did they make you mad?" And he went on with the story about how they made him mad. I told him I would not let the guards know they made me mad. I was trying to tell him in a nice way that the only way he could be mad was to feed the thought: "I am mad, they made me mad..." Then I just sat and listened to him, really listened to him. As he talked about it I could see the pressure being released. The next thing I knew the nice man was back and we were sitting there talking and laughing and smiling. We walked into the barracks and the other men did not know what to think about what had just happened.

What an experience this was for me. I was learning to see through people and see the real person. See anger for what it really is and not to accept things the way they appear unless it's what I want. In the New Testament it says "Judge not by appearances..." (John 7:24) Paul wrote "God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind," (2 Timothy 1:7) Now this man was full of fear, but I refused to see him as fear: instead I saw him as a loving being, and this is what got off the wall and walked away, leaving the fearful being sitting on the wall.

Most people will turn and run the other way when they see a man that is hurting or angry. The only man you will see going up to a mad man is another mad man. People run around talking about God, how God created everything, even the devil. How God has power over the devil and the devil cannot hurt you unless you allow him to, and then every time they think they see the devil, they run the other way. My question is, if a person really believes in God, can he run from the devil?

I think my problem was in believing that there was a devil and that the devil was real! I told myself that I believed in God and God was real, but really I didn't believe it-I was only talking about God. What has awakened me is that today I know God is real and the devil is not. Today I believe in God. God created man, the devil did not create man. It is man that creates the devil.

This man was hurting and needed help; he was in pain, his world was falling in on top of him. He needed somebody to listen to him and talk to him, somebody that knew how to reach out to help another. My part was mostly to be still and allow the reaction to come from inside. If we want to grow spiritually we have to start doing what we learn. Learning does not mean a thing unless you apply what you are learning to your everyday life. Practice what you preach; practice what you have learned. If a man goes to college for 10 years to learn to be a professional, he is not a professional until he opens an office and starts doing what he learned to do. Unless he practices what he has learned he will never become what he learned to be. Many people do this, go through college and get out and decide they don't want to do what they learned and they do something else. Many only do what they learned and never learn anything else-only what somebody else has learned. And some, like Lonnie, go on to learn more on their own and then share it with others that want to learn. Lonnie was the only man I met in prison who was really using love and sharing it, not just telling about it. He was doing to others what he wanted to be done to him. Lonnie was living a life different from the rest, but he never joined them; he kept on going his way. He taught people not to follow others but to follow your heart and you will know you are going in the right direction. This is what I did and am still doing.

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:43:54 GMT

This is some personal experiences and also is in my book.

LEARNING TO BE STILL AND LET IT BE

One thing I had learned from Lonnie was how to share with somebody. Lonnie never did say, "I disagree with you, you are wrong." Lonnie said to me one day, "Are you sure that's right?" And I said, "Yes," and Lonnie just nodded his head up and down and never said a word. When I walked away I heard a small voice say to me, "Are you sure you are right and not Lonnie?" And I would see that I was not the one that was right, Lonnie was, and I went back and told him he was right and I was wrong.

What a lesson I had learned. Lonnie not having to be right made me see I was wrong and I learned. Lonnie said, "We don't have to be right. If we don't say we are right, it does not mean we are wrong." Lonnie taught me that if we let it be then God can take care of it. But if we don't let it be then we can only mess it up.

I did not use what I had learned from Lonnie until months after I was released. It happened one day when I was in the kitchen with a friend. She said something to me, wanting to release some anger. I could feel her anger and thought about what I was going to say back to her and decided she would not like to hear what I had to say. Then I heard a small voice say, "Don't say anything then." Well, I just looked out the window at the trees and she thought I was thinking about what to say. She did not know I was done thinking and that I was ‘being still,' not so much still in my body but still in my mind. I was not thinking anything. A few minutes passed and she spoke and said, "I don't think I should have said that." I was amazed! I still kept looking out the window and didn't think anything for a few more minutes and she spoke again and said, "I know I should not have said what I said. I am sorry."

The problem came up and it was handled in such a way that was so wonderful. It was handled by me being still. By me doing nothing, God did everything! Like Lonnie taught me, if you let it be then God can take care of it. "...the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10)
What had happened here was I did not give power to something I did not want, by not opposing the thing I did not want, IT WENT AWAY ! like the Buddhist say , take what is good for you and leave the rest, I've come a long way with this one. I think it would be wonderful if people would learn to only go after the thing they want and leave the things they don't want alone. I have found that sometimes the reason I cannot be still was because the thing that I did not like was in me. I think if I don't change anybody but myself, I am doing a great deal in helping the world. Your Friend,Don

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://ClarityQuest.gaia.com — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:22:14 GMT

WITH Forgiveness Movie

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://ClarityQuest.gaia.com — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:28:20 GMT

Pardoning x Accepting by Paulo Coelho

A Warrior of Light always keeps his heart clean of the sentiment of hate. To do so, he needs to pardon.
When he walks to a fight, he never forgets Christ’s words: "love your enemies."
And the warrior obeys, but always remembers that Christ did not say: “like your enemies.”
The act of pardoning does not oblige him to accept everything. A warrior must not lower his head, otherwise he loses sight of the horizon of his dreams.

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:23:17 GMT

the accusing ego may allow

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://ClarityQuest.gaia.com — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:10:58 GMT

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:02:43 GMT

     Yes Christal, forgiveness opened the door and I have learn that it was only the beginning. Forgiveness will empower you and will carry you to the other side. I am a healer and from the start I was never satisfied with just being a healer. I never asked to be a healer, if I did I was unaware of what I was asking for. I wanted to know why I was never happy and what would make me happy.  I knew I did not want to try anything I had already tried. And that's when I was lead to learn about forgiveness.
     As a healer I wanted to learn more about healers.  I did not understand why they could heal others but not their self and why they had to die. I believe that a healer is someone who starts to heal their self and while theyare healing they discover that they have power to heal others. When they believe they are a healer to heal others they forget about healing their self and start doing what they were doing all their life - trying to change everybody but their self.  Most healers believe an exchange has to take place so they charge for their service but what they are not seeing is that an exchange is taking place, that others are coming to give them what they need.

                          Your friend, Don

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://Christal.gaia.com — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:34:40 GMT

What a beautiful way to express the value of forgiveness, Don. One thing I learned from "A Course in Miracles" is the power of "the atonement"/ forgiveness. Whenever I make a point to apply forgiveness, I find that it is empowering, and does permit you to live in the present. Namaste to everyone in this very interesting discussion! Christal

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:15:19 GMT

Forgiveness opened the door to everything for me and I have learned a great deal about forgiveness. It is not just a word, as soon as a person hears it they think about something they have to do. It really is something they have to do; when we get a feeling that we have to do something we do it. But when it is something we need to do with the past then no way. If a person only knew how much energy that they use in storing something up from the past they would have no problem with forgiveness. I give an example as stretching a rubber band, as you stretch it, it gets weaker and weaker. When you let go then it is strong again. But if you keep on stretching it the rubber band will break. Could it be that Jesus forgave because living in the past is dying in the present?

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://nightlightbrightlight.gaia.com — Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:23:37 GMT

Though Jesus is not my main man we are friends and he is right on the forgivness issue. I add one more thing to my prayer for those I resent and I pray for them to have everything I want out of life. Though it is hard I do it and after a while it works. Also writing an account of why I resent them helps me to look at my part in the situation.
I don't have much time for resentment. And as said earlier it takes up too much space. A resentment only hurts me because the definition of resentment is feeling the same feelings over and over again. The person I need to forgive is not feeling those feelings. For me forgivness is more a personal thing because I am not harming the other by not doing it, I am only harming myself.
Peace and Love my Friends!
a

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://waterproof.gaia.com — Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:29:01 GMT

Yeah, it's really great to forgive. When we forgive we release love to other people. We also let them them know how beautiful it is to live without hatred.

There are times we find it difficult to do.. but, step by step, as our heart learn to love the person not only because of his atitude but of his humanity, we will learn to understand him.

I remember what Jesus said, "Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you."

Loving "those" people does'nt mean that we will also love their bad attitudes. Even they act in different way, we must still love them and learned to forgive them as God forgives us everytime we commit sin and ask forgiveness from him.

Let us love "those" person not to tolerate their wrong deeds, but to be a good example to them. In little ways, "who knows?" by our ways, they may realized thta it is already time for them to be changed.

Re: The Law of Forgiveness

http://Heidi.gaia.com — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:55:05 GMT

" “Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.” ~ Mark Twain

Forgiveness is like the fragrance a flower shares with the person whose foot crashed it. A flower is more than its form. A flower includes its fragrance, which returns into the flow of nature just like its form. Similarly, it is only by releasing our attention and energy from the past that we can reconnect with our spirit, tap into the flow of the Universe and participate fully in the present.

Just beneath the surface of the water, Forgiveness is about letting go of negative emotions arising from memories of our experiences. It is about being compassionate and expressing empathy so that our negative experiences no longer cloud our vision.

With compassion, we love everyone and anyone unconditionally, without judgment or attachment.

Deep down, Forgiveness is about releasing our attachments to our history. This comes with the realization that we have the choice to co-create our identity every moment in the present. Forgiveness about going Beyond Possibilities… giving up whom we were for the possibilities of who can choose to become.

P.S. Is there a need to hold a grudge or resentment in order to learn the lesson?

“If we practice and eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soon the whole world will be blind and toothless.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi" Alex

Wow Alex...........that was a mouthful! Best description of Forgiveness I have heard.

Heidi