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Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:01:08 GMT

thank you Debby, you are indeed a seer. i feel we are together. be blessed ~

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://dtowle79.gaia.com — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:30:59 GMT

The challenge is in embracing our state of being even as we are drawn to a new recognition of being. If we are traveling to a new place in order to escape our current "being", if we are attempting to find fulfillment at a destination, even if we accomplish it the happiness will be fleeting - true happiness will not be found there. Moving to a new conciousness on a material plain brings happiness when it is an expression of our being.

Not sure if this makes sense but in a nut shell this is how I feel about the LOA after all my inner delving over the past couple of months. The LOA is all for not if it does not bring me closer to the truth of who I am. I think there is danger in manipulating the LOA to run from our truth or to run from our pain or illusion. I feel that it should be in line with my highest purpose and not a play thing.

Marc, Thanks for your comments. Yes, I agree with you and actually that has been my path to the changes that have happened in my life - by going within, recognizing my belief and dismantling it. The thing is that I started doing this as a child with no awareness of the LOA. Once I was exposed to it, there were things that didn't sit well with me. Of late I recognized that i was being called to take a closer look , hence all my questions here. I did get some very valuable things from it. I got the part about connecting with the feeling of where I feel called to. Just saying affirmations felt like blankets (lies) over the original belief in the past so I didn't use them. I see value in recognizing a limiting belief and connecting to the feelings of a new belief that is healthier. I would say that I probably spent too much time examining beliefs in the past but still feel for me anyway that I need to know the underlying belief. I move faster if I ask myself, "Is this belief a lie?" I am more able to use an affirmation by recognizing if it is a lie and seeing that the affirmation in spirit, is the truth. I am using affirmation now as I did not in the past.

Also, Yosyama calling attention to the fact that there are many other spiritual laws that come in to play with the LOA was helpful too.

Debby

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://hologlyphic.gaia.com — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:19:09 GMT

An interesting idea came to me as I was reading your post, T.

If we pre-suppose that we are "the universe becoming conscious of
itself", than isn't it interesting that we all have something different
to contribute to the world, and human consciousness? For example,
no matter how similar our childhoods, even if we're one of twins, we
still grow up with different experiences that contribute to our overall
personal dogma. We can grow up in the same neighborhood, but
watch different things on television that expand our minds in different
ways. That different perspective that we gain causes us to look
at things such as religion and class system, etc in different
ways.

Although we find different ways and rituals to deify the truth, aren't
we all saying the same thing? Isn't the ultimate truth the same..
at the basis of all religions, aren't they all the same?

If so, if we're all saying the same thing, isn't the universe the
ultimate mathematician? If we are the universe, aren't we testing
what we believe? If we confuse ourselves, by creating different
perspectives through different experiences, aren't we just confusing
ourselves to serve greater clarity? Because we're saying the same
thing, despite our allegiances or the illusion of separatism.

Ponder it for a moment. What if we were one... and to prove the
solvency of Truth, and to understand it in an enhanced fashion, we
created the illusion of separatism, so that we could test the Truth in
the minutest way...? What is that Truth? I don't know.. but
I know that we all know it together.

And this is not dissimilar to what the Bible says...

hmm.. the tower of Babel. The Bible says that man came together
to build a tower to Heaven (not quite sure why). During the time
of the construction, God came down, saw it, and said, no, we're going
to destroy this because man has become unified. And, afterwards
it's destroyed, and the languages are confused, and there's mass exodus
in different directions. And, there's similar traditions of this
story in all parts of the world, from the Toltecs in South America, to
India, to Egypt and beyond. Why would God destroy our
unity?

I don't have the answers.. Although I did a google search which immediately led me to this page on The Tower of Babel. As uneasy as I was in reading some parts of it, I can't deny the likelihood of the story.

It's all just a burgeoning thought, but hopefully it brings clarity. What does everyone else think about this?

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:49:59 GMT

Its interesting to re-read this thread....lots of great stuff here!!

I did notice that people staunchly defend their beliefs. Their own version of the "truth." Everyone has something to contribute to this life. Everyone has their own journey of exploration and life experiences to encounter. How we each perceive these experiences skews our perspective. I doubt that we all will ever agree with one specific "way." Even if an absolutely real entity showed up on Earth, claiming to be the higher power, wouldn't most of us be suspicious? So who's to say what's right and what's wrong - no one..... We each are responsible for ourselves, our actions, and our beliefs.

What is great is that we can all share our own perspectives here and learn from each other.

peace..
T

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://Oceann.gaia.com — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:45 GMT

Crosses and X's, Crosses to Bear, Crossing Up Oneself

All this talk of crossees and crossroads must bring up one of our African diety forebears, Legbo, who had much kindship with Shiva, Dionysus, and with more of the other solar diety-son-sun configurations, including and along with the good and bad twin duos.
The cross-point and/or cross-hairs, represents the place where our reality and the divine intersect.
The Secret is really, as I'd mentioned before, the Wiccan and others' libertine by-passing of the narrow road and speeding toward the wide highway to hell, basically.
Giving oneself enough rope to hang oneself. Enough of everything is only excess.
Excess leads to ruin, etc.Remember? Moderation in all things?
The easy route is the route where Midas went, where the rich man who couldn't enter Heaven went, where being careful of what one wishes for is telling.
Once again, I want to remind people why these truths had been held in secrecy throughout the ages by the wise among us, the adepts, and the holy men and women - it was to keep us, as one would keep a baby away from glass, safe from ourselves.
Without a truly Compassionate aim, the arrow will boomerang.
This is why I remind everyone of Compassion. It is the true way to heal oneself and all the world, and to ensure that those blessings that you conjure will come through the good part of the cross, not the bad - the one Legbo, one of the evil twin combos, like Osiris and Set, that ages ago were illustrating these truths and concepts to people.
Listening and heeding the completely Compassionate message of Jesus would lead you to become kind to all beings, to wish for only Compassionate, and therefore, good, things and conditions, and would be a win-win situation.
Putting others - putting all - first in wishes was always the prescriptoin to happiness.
And to lasting abundance.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://imagineIt.gaia.com — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:50:13 GMT

oh yosyama, what a delightful fruit you are ~ Bob Dylan - I'll Keep It With Mine You will search, babe, At any cost. But how long, babe, Can you search for what's not lost? Ev'rybody will help you, Some people are very kind. But if I can save you any time, Come on, give it to me, I'll keep it with mine. I can't help it If you might think I'm odd, If I say I'm not loving you for what you are But for what you're not. Everybody will help you Discover what you set out to find. But if I can save you any time, Come on, give it to me, I'll keep it with mine. The train leaves At half past ten, But it'll be back tomorrow, Same time again. The conductor he's weary, He's still stuck on the line. But if I can save you any time, Come on, give it to me, I'll keep it with mine. Let it flow ~

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:12:36 GMT

'But the only way we grow is by challenging our limits.'

Right on!

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:19:31 GMT

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Christianity stands for 'being' and for which we are, that is from AM to Life - which is not evident on the vertical wishing line but at the cross.

Attraction though, the vertical line is for our attracting activities including the projected I and the images we Wish for.

The minute we are on one line we are certainly not on the other and the busier we get with attracting could be just farther away from Life, or we can bot be sure depending on the end result..

but when we are awaken we got what we have and give up wishing, and the closer we are to the cross point the more chance we have to change from Attracting to Being; that is the connectedness to nothing and anything at all.

just Juggling ;)
namaste

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://hologlyphic.gaia.com — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:40:23 GMT

Can we believe our eyes?

Judging by eye-sight, nothing exists beyond the horizon and the earth is flat. Sometimes it takes different perspectives to be able to see the full dimension of a subject. That's why studying different religions fascinate me. I don't believe any one religion has all the answers-- but in concert, it makes more sense.

Objectivity is the only way to learn the Truth. It hurts to be object, ppl don't like objectivity and ostricize you for it. Ppl like fanatic emotionalism, we make altars for our subjectivity. For me, I've always been objective (or got there as fast as I could). I've upset many ppl in the process, because I would not take their side in a issue on the basis of loyalty. If I can see both sides of an issue, it's only reasonable to find a common ground between the two and reconcile, not say-- oh, a is better than b because...

Of course that's exactly what it's going to sound like below :D

Although I agree with Frederik on some points and not others, I understand his general point of view is toward higher, intergrated consciousness. His ideas are progressive, as I think I've stated somewhere before. I believe Marc is much more traditional but it's very important to not become defensive when another presents an argument that's different to one's own. When we defend, we push away things that may aid us in understanding through a different perspective. Like I said, objectivity hurts, for many reasons, one of which is that it causes us to challenge what we believe. But the only way we grow is by challenging our limits.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:08:41 GMT

Well Marc, I don't mind you critizising me either. :P

The reason why I am telling you this, is because I know, many, many people in various societies. Are only allowed to see one side of the story. they are only granted the reigning view of the world of that specific place. Say, a very religious small community. That is not a way to show choice, or objectivity. That is what I mind. So I give you the option, what you choose, is none of my business, As long as you had the chance and time to properly choose how to look at the world, for yourself, and not according to others peoples view.

The thing is, The only thing I believe is my eyes. And I am rather lucky, to not only understand quantum mechanics and things alike, but to do, and see the experiments all by myself. I study physics at Radboud University. (this doesn't nescecairrily make me an un-objective viewer) Because everything I haven't seen with my eyes I do not see as something true, let alone provable. There are parts of Quantum theory I have seen proven incorrect with my own eyes. (recent developments btw) And spoke to Nobelprize winners who desperatly seek a determenistic view of the world. Something I totally do not agree on. But I do listen to what they have to say. And I do listen to what they have to say, and what their idea's are. I take the time to look at both sides of something. Before I make my choice.

I grew up in Holland, yes that means that over 46 percent of the dutch does not attain a religion. But it also means, that I got in Direct contact with over six different religions and ways of thinking since the age of 3 een up to this date. I have had insipring conversations with budhists, Islamics, many christians, hindu's and Jues. I am also educated in several other religions. Does that make me a hypocrite? I come in daily contact with religious fanatical people from all diffent religions. But they rather fight eachother then they do me. Because I ask them questions, that make them think. And they do not try to convince me to the idea, that their religion is the only right one. Because they know, that I have many questions to ask, that no existing religion can explain. Things I saw with my own eyes. Things that I will prove with my own eyes aswell. If I can't believe my own eyes, what can I?

Kindest Regards,
Domus Ulixes

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://marcusbrkr.gaia.com — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:44:31 GMT

Hi Freddie,

Normally, i don't reply to posts from people that don't have the same point of view as myself, or talk "stupidly", But I'm going to make an exception in your case.

"quote" :

So why am I bitching on your faith? Do you think I like it? No i don't.
(NEVER do something you don't like doing. "I" don't Keeps life simple.)

The thing that bothers me, that you speak as if 'this is truth, and nothing else' such a view, has killed millions of innocent people, and even christians themselves, as it was this same view, they were prosecuted for In ancient Rome in the first place.

I hope I gave you enough reasons for you to see, that there is not only one truth.

Follow your own path, I don't mind (apparently you DO mind),

and it is none of my business ( You are correct on this point as well.),

but don't go telling others 'truths'( I was asked a question and did my best to answer it as I understood it),

that you cannot prove.( But can "you" disprove it? And WHOSE truth will you do it with?)

I find you to be very much the "hypocrite" as the definition of the word applies. I believe what "I" believe, most of which can be proven through quantum mechanics ,quantum physics, and the life writings of people who have "succeeded" using these principles.

I don't mean to be bitching on your beliefs? You think I like it?

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://hologlyphic.gaia.com — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:06:06 GMT

You're Dutch. I like that about you. One of my very best friends is Dutch. Because I'm American and I like to generalize, I've found that most Dutch ppl like to question things, not to accept things without reason. That said you, especially for your age, are extremely advanced in your thinking and concepts, another quality I admire. I'm never offended by you, I want you to know that, even though I suspect we have vastly different ideas about God.

Onto your questions:
How many people blame god, when something goes wrong, which they actually could have prevented themselves?

This is something that has angered me for a long time. Ppl don't seem to grasp the fact that they create their own lives-- for better or worse. I agree with you, ppl don't like to be in control-- it's much easier to blame others when something goes wrong than to recognize one's fault in the matter. I personally vowed that I would never get angry at God-- the whole idea seems insane to me. It just seems displaced, when we should actually be angry at ourselves.

In recent years, I've challenged my idea of what I believe God to be. I grew up in a small Christian church, with very narrow ideas of everything. At an early age, I started to rebel. I believed God was bigger than the box we put Him in. I eventually (at 10) stopped going to church, and wonder of wonders, my mom allowed me to stop. It wasn't until years later when I returned to church, but even then circumspectly. I went for several years before stopping again, because ideas became limiting again.

I understand the theory of why ppl need to believe in a higher being. Ppl like to be irresponsible for their actions, blame "fate" when they are too lazy to make life happen, and also ppl feel lonely and need leadership. Other ppl, like some leaders in our world religions, profit off of the need for ppl to be led, and create horrible acts in the name of guidance (i.e. holy wars, the crusades, the insanity that's currently happening in Israel).

Ppl need to challenge their idea of God. I don't think He's some huge zeus-like guy with white hair and a sandals, pointing His sceptre and creating lightning. God is bigger than one static image. He's bigger than humanity as a whole, and He is the essence of our life. It's very difficult/impossible for the creature to try to synthesize its creator. The only thing I have is an unwaivering sense that something outside of me exists, and that I am a champion to that existence. I wouldn't dare try to define God in more definite terms at this time.

'Whenever I get too arrogant, something happens that humbles me.. and in those moments of painful humility,' - What kind of moments? I'm interested.

Usually when I'm sick. :) I've been sick a lot recently (wisdom tooth ache, dizziness, medicine withdrawals) and at my worse points of sickness, the only thing that soothed me was calling on God to help me. God was there immediately to assist me, and to calm me and my faith in Him created a sense of wellness. There are of course other times, but that's the foremost thought in my mind. Don't bother trying to pursuade me otherwise about that, I tried positive thinking, and it didn't work. Only the humble awareness of a Higher and all-knowing power helped me to overcome my pain.

I hope that helps answer your questions. I enjoy your insight. And I know I'm not being very thorough, I'm an admittant beginner in my understandings of God and life.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:04:15 GMT

Well the thing is, that there will always be a need for religion. So when something does go horribly wrong, they think up a new one. Besides so you really think that of all the Jues in the Holocaust most changed their religion? No they didn't because it was the only thing they could hold on to.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:28:09 GMT

it occurred to me that humanity gave up the idea of external god altogether when they heard 6 million innocent believers were gazed to death in Bergen Belsen and Auschwitz and all which happened in Europe and other continents, in Africa, altogether it exceeded any conceivable apprehension, it was beyond forgiveness really and then soon after : followed the absolute when in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Americans dropped nasty Little Boy and Fat Man, to win the war which is never ending and that was just enough. no further testing was necessary for humanity in gross to ultimately come across that which was obvious for ever; that god is not external, and that praying and waiting for his salvation has exhausted us to the bitter pit of despair until we had to wakeup and let the divine be.

Namaste

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:09:57 GMT

-- 'It's well-documented how power-hungry we human beings are. In many arenas, gladiator or business, everyone is searching to be king, to be dominate– it's intrinsic in our nature. If we really are the ultimate, what's the point of believing ourselves to be subordinate? Why would we want to do that? What is that feeding in ourselves?' --
That is a good question, but a simple look around you gives you the answer. Look at history for all I care. Most people do not want to be leaders. they don't work harder to get a higher job, or have the ambition to do so. They don't have the guts to take the lead, and they'd rather have someone looking after them, then to be responsible for all those submissive to him. People who want to take the lead will do so. Remember, that the church and the word of clergymen was considered for many for centuries as the only power. Attaining a religion ment power over others. In that same way, most people do not want responsibility over others. They do not want to be responsible for the pains and death of the ones that follows them. 'They can't handle the pressure' they'd much rather be lead. And most people are like that, they simply accept it. And don't have to face the responisibilty, and, when something does go bad, the can blame the leader. Now A question for you in return. How many people blame god, when something goes wrong, which they actually could have prevented themselves?

-- 'Whenever I get too arrogant, something happens that humbles me.. and in those moments of painful humility,' -- What kind of moments? I'm interested.

-- ' If there is no such thing as a God outside of ourselves, why would we create such a thing?' --

Ah, humans are very creative. I for instance still admire my sister day in and day out, to find out rather excuisite excuses not to do certain things, just like her father. While they're energy could just as well be spended it doing the things anyhow. This doesn't mean my answer has to do anything to do with laziness, but with creativity :P
We created got, out of our own creative minds, to explain why things happened that question our minds. For centuries long humans have wondered why it was things happened. Why did lightning strike? Why do people dy? Where do they go? What makes the moon and the sun move? What makes the seasons come and go? Why are there people that look so different then us? Actually, millenia before God, we had different god's for that, some only a few, some one, some hundreds. And that wasn't just because they couldn't explain. But because they couldn't explain everything to everyone. You see, someone trying to find out how something works (say a scientist) doesn't grow crops, doesn't restore houses, doesn't forge tools, and doesn't contribute anything of use whatsoever to the society. They are useless. What if everyone would ponder these questions? (if there were no god) Aye, society would simply sease to exist. Everybody would starve etc. Explanation why things happened is vital for the survival of any society. Just like why you come and ask your governement what has happened if something un-explainable arises. (think of 9-11) you go and ask your boss for explanation.
You see, this is the reasons why religion arose in the first place, nescessity. Actually, The romans made huge bridges, and structures, yet they did have 'construction' gods to worship. Not because they didn't understand, but because not everyone had the time too.
So why is it still here? Well, most people didn't really have time to think until wellfare arose. And they were much more submissive and usefull for the leaders when they were poor. And had to listen to their biddings. Religious wars, were fought in the name of god, but in intention of someone who used it's public falue for its own good.
Why are we losing it today? Well we can understand more and more things, we lose the nescessity for gods, because we understand more. As an example, in the early days, it said in the bible that god created Lighting, now we know he didn't. Why? because we learned. Until we can understand everything (which we will probably never) there is a nescesitty of blind faith, just as I trust that there will be a tomorrow even if I know that it could very well be not so. And that isn't bad. You cannot expect from everyone to know, or understand why things happen. You can however expect that some social courtesy of those who do, not to abuse the faith of others. Which, as again proven by history is so easy.
Why do we put so much trust in faith? Because for many it is the only explanation, and therefore savior of almost all of their ponderings (mostly considered problems) in every day life. Yet, because God, is a stand alone god, people hold him responsible for everything, that is why it doesn't work all so good. As for instance there was a Roman god for any different problem. Letting them to consult a priest specified in one task. Being much better able of helping them. As he understood that little piece of his god, and could therefore help those whe (didn't yet) understand.

I hope you liked the answer ;)

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://goldenlotus.gaia.com — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:52:20 GMT

Relationships are definitelty places that I see this its one of the places many of us struggle to little understanding especially because of how emotionally charged it is.
Yes it is definitely the cyclical patterns that carry us all through life, I dont know who Wally Lamb is but I like that quote, its amazing that nature creates circles and we build squares.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://marcusbrkr.gaia.com — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:04:54 GMT

Hi Debby,

There's one particular fact about the Law of Attraction that people just won't talk about, or they dance around it and never get to the point. And that one fact is:

The Law of Attraction operates from the individuals "core beliefs", and delivers what you "truly" believe in the deepest, darkest recesses of the individual's belief system. And while many people give "lip service" on the outside to believing that Law of Attraction works, they'll never take personal responsibility for their core beliefs that cause any "failure" they may experience in manifesting things.

The laws of this universe "cannot" fail. Weare the "unknown" in the failure cycle of this particular law. It you "attempted" to manifest something, and it failed, it wasn't the Law of Attraction that failed, it was your "core belief" concerning "whatever" it was that caused the failure.

You can dance and chant (affirm) yourself into a frenzied lather, but if your "core beliefs" don't line up with your affirmations, failure is the end result.

If the Universe "hears"(detects the thought vibrations that have produced the no money scenario, and the corresponding actions you have taken to put yourself in that particular position) I have no money, and you have NO money, the Law can't go "against" it's very principles and produce something totally opposite of your "core" belief.

An remember one thing. The Law of Attraction works in partnership with other "specific" laws of the Universe to produce manifestations. One of the MAIN one's is the "Law of Action".

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://hologlyphic.gaia.com — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:05:19 GMT

Very interesting post!! I'm intrigued by the idea of constantly attracting the same situation in your life until you settle it-- it can be applied to ppl who seem to attract the same type of spouse in romantic situations.

Becoming conscious is always key. Until you become self-aware of what's happening, and decide to stop it, life will continue in circles. Like Wally Lamb said, "the evidence of God exists in the roundness of things".

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://marcusbrkr.gaia.com — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:29:47 GMT

Hi Kyo,

You have to take "greater things than these" in the context of the conversation he was having with the disciples before his departure.

They were marvelling about all the "miracles" he had performed during his brief time here, and he merely told them THEY would do even greater things than that because he was going back to make it so.

1Co 1:27 But God has chosen the things which the world regards as foolish, in order to put its wise men to shame; and God has chosen the things which the world regards as destitute of influence, in order to put its powerful things to shame;

                                                                                       (Weymouth New Testament)

A wise man once told me; "You need the help of a good theologian to misunderstand the Bible", and he was right.

  **Why do we worship a God that tells us we're god? It's gives the same impression of being a mirror for a mirror. What exactly can either mirror hope to gain?**

We aren't a "mirror of a mirror"..We're the "mirror image" of the original;

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our "image", after our "likeness": and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

As I stated in the earlier posting, those two words in Hebrew ( The original language the Old Testament was written in, as Latin hadn't been invented yet) mean exact duplicate or carbon copy.

Why you ask? The answer is "simple". Propogation of the species. In nature, EVERYTHING produces after it's own kind. God obeys his own laws. He could only create that which was after "his own kind";

Rom 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17- And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

Yes, YOU may see a difference between you and God, but HE doesn't. When he looks at you, he sees "himself"

Joh 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Re: Juggling Christianity with the Law of Attraction

http://goldenlotus.gaia.com — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:12:09 GMT

I like this post it took me a while to get through it. What I want to say has to do with the nature of trauma and how this relates to attraction. From my experience with real clients and their trauma is that trauma unless interrupted and allowed to come to a safe completion will repeat itself infinitely, in fact trauma is even inherited. In the African jungles when an animal is brought down for the purpose of tagging and tracking if when that animal is revived and it does not shake and tremble for a period of time before it runs off the park rangers know that it will die. This is because the animal was not allowed to discharge its halted flight or fight mechanism which eventually leads to its death.

Wild animals do not have the same intellectual capacity as we humans do so when this mechanism (fight or flight) is prematurely halted in us we are able to intellectually carry ourselves on. Since this occurs on our primal levels it is tied intrinsically to our being and this is the exact space we manifest from.

I have noticed that most of my clients were not in one car accident but many, most of which occurred the same way over and over again. What this is the unconscious attraction of the same situation so that nervous system will have a chance at completion. It is this completion that is being sought with any sort of trauma mental/ emotional/ physical/ spiritual. This is the unconscious patterning from which we attract so that is why we bring all good bad and otherwise into our lives. This is where taking on responsibility becomes a problem, who wants to believe this it puts all responsibility for how our lives turn out right into our laps.

It is not god who gives or punishes (that sounds remotely like our parents and authority figures) god is omnipresent you either enter into the presence or stay out. God really is potential without judgement we do what the potential what we wish. Maybe that potential is a car accident, maybe its the realization of limitless love or maybe its a million dollars