Supermatrix Theory

Supermatrix Theory:

The Supermatrix Theory is an updtaed version of the Holographic Model . I came up with it shortly after seeing the movie The Matrix back in 1999, and named the theory in honor of the original movie. The Supermatrix Theory however, proposes that the entire universe as we know it is a simulation generated by a vastly powerful data processing system, not merely a collective illusion projected into the mind by alien implants. It is currently the best theory on the way things are that I can think of. It is also based on older theories all the way back to Plato's shadows. Similar theories by other names are now gaining some acceptance in mainstream circles as well. It explains some of the phenomena touched on in What The Bleep … but carries on much further down the rabbit hole … Your comments and questions are welcome.

muef

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good, but what does your theory contain? how are you planning to prove it? And if you can't proof it, you might want to revise yourself. whether the question, on which your theory is bassed on, is maybe asked wrongly. Or;
What does your theory explain?

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Hey There Domus …

I am not exactly sure how to interpret your first question. But the theory contains the premise and written descrption of the theory itself. It is outlined in the first post.

I don't have a plan to “prove” it, but by following the clues laid out in the circumstantial evidence, I hope the theory will bear out in time. As more experiments are done and technology advances to the point where certain things can be tested, it will either fall by the wayside or stand the tests.  If I had the resources, I could do actual experiments, but the equipment required for such things is not only in its earliest stages, but also very high-tech and reserved for only those highest up in the for now, I have to be content with existing knowledge.

If one were to put the theory in the form of a question it would be something like, “What is the ultimate nature of our universe?” In this question the word “universe” is used primarily in the cosmological sense, and generally limited in scope to a multiverse depth no greater than two.

What the theory explains is the way things are in a general sense and also makes sense of seemingly nonsensical observations. For example, the creation of the universe from a point source, material existence, quantum entanglement, duality and some supernatural phenomena. Once you start thinking along the lines of the Supermatrix Theory, you will undoubtedly find that it can be applied to many things that you yourself may also be curious about.

Does this help in supplying a bearing from which to elaborate upon?

… murf

PS: Thanks for the posting. Your questions and comments are both welcome and deserving.

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Just a note …

This discussion board seems to be eating some of the content and not always posting as has been inputted. If something is wrong or seems to be missing, please just ask and I'll try to fill in the blanks.

For example, above, we have, “also very high-tech and reserved for only those highest up in the …” this was supposed to have been, ” … also very high-tech and reserved for only those highest up in the ivory towers of the academia.”

murf

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Hi,

Can you explain the “purpose” of the SuperMatrix please?

 starr

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Hi There …

On the purpose of the supermatrix. I am not sure exactly what you mean by this question. Do you mean, what purpose does introducing the supermatrix into the discussion serve; or what purpose, if the supermatrix itself exists, does the supermatrix itself serve? And if the question is in reference to the latter, do you mean in a technical context or what exactly?

To answer the first question, it is simply a topic of discussion seemingly relevant to this pod.

To answer the question in technical terms. The supermatrix itself is analagous to the application environment and therefore its purpose is to provide the framework in which the various routines and processes of the application can be carried out.

To answer any further questions I would need more data on both sides of the equation. However it is safe to say that Supermatrix theory does imply a creator. And if such exists or existed at some point in the past, then the purpose of the supermatrix would be rooted in the reason(s) for its creation. To this end we can presently only speculate. It would be logical to propose that the supermatrix may be a tool to aid the creator in understanding existence on his/her ( convenience terms ) level, similar to the way we are using supercomputers to run models of our universe in an effort to understand our own existence better …

murf

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(this interests me)

So how does your Supermatrix Theory fits in the rest of science?
Is the supermatrix a sort of computing body that makes sure things either happen or not, which is responsible for time. And somehow supports forms, or other ways of mental understandings conceirning space or volume?

you say equation, do you actually have an equation? (or is it (probably) metaforically?)
Because it isn't really clear or better said, not at all. Which phenomena does your theory explain, and in what way does it contradict other explaining theories?

Cause you are leaving us a little blind of what it is. Please make an article!

With the best of luck,
Ulixes

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Hey Domus …

Supermatrix Theory doesn't so much “fit with the rest of science” as science “fit's with it”. To illustrate; from our perspective within the Supermatrix, science uses observations of the way the things are to build mathematical models that reflect as accurately as possible the workings of the universe around us. For example celestial mechanics uses mathematical expressions that can be used to anticipate the movements of celestial objects. The results produced by these calculations are similar enough to those produced by the algorythms used by the Supermatrix itself, that we tend to think that the universe works according to our rules … when in fact the universe works according to rules of the “program” that generates the supermatrix itself. The closer our mathematics comes to that of the supermatrix itself, the more accurately we will be able to anticipate how things will work out.

To answer the question of “Which phenomena does the theory explain”, I would have to say everything I have so far encountered. To be specific, I would have to write a book on the topic, which is not practical here. But if you would like to ask some specific questions that are significant to your own understanding, please feel free to do so. I've been at this a while, so I can probably come up with something that makes sense, even if I hadn't considered it before.

Also, I meant “equation” metaphorically. ALthough I am sure that one could come up with all kinds of equations that may be relevant. For example all those used in mainstream science that are used to explain some phenomena or force of nature are applicable.

To help yourself understand the theory a bit better, just use a computing analogy for whatever phenomena you are in need of explaining. Then imagine the process being run by a massively parralell and highly advanced optical supercomputer. It isn't necessary for you to know the algorythms themselves, just that they are possible. The rules are easier to extrapolate. One example is provided below ( I believe also touched on in What The Bleep ):

Q: If the universe were an elaborate simulation rather than “real”, what would we expect it to be like.

A: We would expect that what we perceive to be real is in actuality made up of bits of energy ( as data is in our own PCs ) and organized according to precise rules that create patterns which correspond to the properties and dimensions of the things we perceive. As it turns out, that is exactly the way things are. At the atomic level, everything we perceive of as real and solid, is in fact nothing more than patterns of energy that operate according to specific rules, seemingly imparted by some outside influnce, but generally understood as the forces of nature.

murf

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If I understand this correctly, The universe is a virtual world? which automatically gives all of our possible perceptions, due to ellaborate and not yet understood mathematical equations?.
If that is about how it is (and only then) I think it is totally rubbish.

First of all, It seems unfair and lazy to just blame it all on a virtual world. But there is more.
There are fundamental things, that bind one world to the other. Even in a perfect world, we are stuck with imperfect virtual worlds. Computer models only approach reality, and never can reproduce it. Mathematical formules and understandings about the universe and reality itself only approach that same universe, and evolve over time. First there was the turtle with the world on his back, then a flat world, than galileo, then newton, then einstein and now hawking. None of these people were able to answer all the questions, and all produced more questions in the proces. Every system, no matter how, needs a point of reference to the outside world. The best example of this is time.
Time;
Even in your computer, a mechanicle process makes sure time develops. And even atom-clocks, walk wrong every so many hundred years. Even though time is just a figment of the human mind, the difference between some sort of time, and no time, is undeniable. Fact is, we cannot simulate 'no time'. And even if the supermatrix would somehow be able to 'display' 'no time' to us. It would have have all the statistical and mathamatical equations read. this of course isn't plausible. BUT, It would have to create a static, permanent amount of values, which to display. Where the simulation itself has to be able of seeing the difference between time and no time. A permanent (whereas no time compares itself to time as eternal) static row of values, is impossible. Laws of nature prevent this as Entropy always grows in time. (or as time exist, because entropy increases). If the computer would have to create such a static row or amount of values, it has to either fully be without time, or time in generally. This would mean, that all the no-time places we observe must flash before our eyes, or, statistically only live for a very little while.
We currently have 7 confirmed black holes. None of them seem to be dissapearing any time soon. Deen from this perspective, Supermatrix Theory is not realistic.

And even, if the supermatrix could simulate that, somehow. It would no longer be bound to his own made rules. Our world would be, even seen from the supermatrix PURELY fictional. No longer a simulation with some stretched factors, such as in any movie or simulation, or even human mind. Then, If indeed the supermatrix is capable of simulating it anyway. It is Irrelevant to even questions such an existence. Cause we humans, and even our minds, ghost or whatever form a consciousness is presenting itself are stuck, on this tiny little simple rules of time and no-time. This means we can never ever, either in this time, no time the past or the future study confirm such a supermatrix, because our 'times' are not compatible. And all of our persceptions are bound to this specific time.

A Theory impossible to prove, is only worth rejecting.

Not because it isn't nice to think about, but because our sanity requires it.

I hope U didn't dashed your dreams, but I have been studying these theories etceters for about 4 years now. And so far, the 'matrix' is only a nice movie. ;)

With the best of luck,

Domus Ulixes.

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Hey There Domus,

I don't have any problem a t all with you expressing your opinion or rejecting the Supermatrix Theory. Thanks for your contributions and questions … please be happy and sane believing the universe is … well … I dunno … whatever makes you happy and sane I guess.

murf

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Hi,

Thanks for your response and sorry for not being clear.  I was hoping that perhaps  your SuperMatrix theory might also contain in it ideas regarding the question  “what is the purpose of life?”, or basically, “what the heck are we doing here?????? I thought the purpose of the SM might explain the purpose of US. This is what I search for. I am open to any and all theories.

As you mention, it implies a creator. And if we knew why it was created maybe we would know our role in the universe. Your speculations are interesting. Thanks for these new ideas.

Take care,

starr 

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Hi Starr …

No apologies please … this can be a very complex topic and it's not always easy to be clear in one sentence .. so not to worry, everything is totally cool.

As touched on in your last post, you acknowledged … and quote … “As you mention, it implies a creator. And if we knew why it was created maybe we would know our role in the universe.”

The above is at the highest level that the question can be discussed. The answer is one of possibilities and speculation. The creator of the Supermatrix might be what some religions refer to as God, but we don't know if the creator of the Supermatrix and the Gods of our religions are one in the same. Furthermore, political religious one upmanship would no doubt maintain that if a Supermatrix creator exists, there must be an even higher God that created him/her too, and then that God would of course then become their new God, This discussion does not venture into that arena.

Returning to point, we humans have designed supercomputers that model the creation of the universe and other cosmic phenomenon. So it is a reasonable proposal to suggest that the Supermatrix was designed for the same purpose, to model the universe on the level of the creator, so that the creator might better understand his/her own universe. Where does this leave us personally in the picture? The most ironic consequence of such is that our purpose would be to help God understand his/her own creation.

NOTE: The simulations mentioned above are absolutely fantastic to watch. I think there are some you can download and watch on Windows Media Player. Just do a Google search and go to their websites. Use keywords like supercomputer and cosmology.

Given the above, such a purpose does not represent any responsibility on our part. We are by virtue of our own existence, already playing our part. Furthermore, we have no real choice in how our part plays out, so we really don't have anything to worry about in terms of “purpose” or “responsibility” … just like everything else, our mere existence is our purpose. It needs no justification. Others will of course dispute this, claiming that free will exists and so does choice, but the evidence just doesn't support that notion. Nevertheless, it is the destiny of those who disagree to believe what they believe. Therefore, regardless of the evidence, such views will continue to persist.

Lastly, in this post, some might point out that if we are merely playing our part, then why do we feel the need to know our “purpose”? Why bother with it at all? To this, I would say that if the purpose of the Supermatrix itself is to assist the creator in understanding his/her own existence, then the search for purpose would be a key parameter of the program itself. It would be a natural “impulse” to seek out these answers and maybe someday provide God with an answer …

murf

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Hi There …

Thanks for the suggestion … as mintioned in the original post, the Supermatrix Theory is similar to the Holographic Model, but it differers subtly in that holography or anything analogous isn't necessary. There is no need for an emitter or a projector of any kind. The entire thing can be contained run by the data processing system itself.

murf

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Hey Murf…

The Supermatrix itself matches my defineition of God (or God field, field of all posibilities, infinite source)

Jesus made mention of how the entire expanse of heaven could be contained within the tiny mustard seed and also said “Make thine eye be single and thy whole body shall be full of light.

Seems like some pretty deep stuf to throw at people in those times…

The more we flesh-out these things, the more we can come to accept that we are all one in this super field of all possibities.

Peace

Yogi

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Hey There Yogi …

Within the context of the Supermatrix Theory, I am in full agreement with you that some aspects of some religions have recognized that there is a truth in the connectedness of all things. Perhaps they had no idea what it really is, but the human mind, being the most powerful data processor we know of so far, might have a limited access to the program, resulting in some of the miracles and other paranormal phenomena associated with them. This is one reason that I do not discount the power of prayer or of meditation. That the whole universe could be contained in a mustard seed is an excellent analogy for how the Supermatrix would have formed … a seed is not unlike a compressed file, when it is opened, the universe would literally expand from a point source of zero within the program, not unlike the big bang theory and from the point of view of the program, everything is indeed connected simulataneously. You see … this theory is not so wacky as it first appears …

murf

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Hey Domus…

Time is just an illusion…

When delving into the deepest intricacies of quantum theory, you see that there is absolutely no reason why you could not travel backwards in time.

E=mc2 is the equation we derive “time dialation” from when dealing with speeds approaching the speed of light. This shows us that time is relative!

Peace

Yogi

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Hey Murf…

What is also interesting is that the ancient rishis os India were able to intuit these truths through meditation. The Bhagavad Gita even makes reference to the “Big Bang” version of how this material universe was created.

Peace

Yogi

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Hey Domus…

You are restricting your thoughts to static systems when refering to time…

Using quantum theory and the fact that every particle can only be described as a “wave” of posible states, you need to look at time diferently. All times are equally present…

Take the thought experiment of Shroedingers cat. The cat is both ALIVE and DEAD at the same time until an observation is made…

It is hard to imagine when our minds have been trained for so long to not see the full truth.

Peace

Yogi

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Hey Star…

The meaning of life is to fully realize the true nature of reality and re-merge ourselves fully with the God-field (God, supermatrix, infinite source, ect.)

Eastern thought teaches us how to purify our minds and bodies so we can rid ourselves of bad karma so we can make this merger complete.

…The real trick is that we are already merged, we just have to improve our knowing.

Peace

Yogi

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Again, I'm not refering different times. I'm comparing one time two times, all the possible times (which are a lot of) With the absence of time itself.

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Hey Yogi …

Yes … agreed … I believe I mentioned meditation there someplace. I'm glad that we are finding some common ground and it's good to hear your more traditional perspective on the commentary. It is really interesting to see how the ancient ideas can be connected to a modern way of looking at the issue … perhaps in another thousand years, the whole issue will have a whole new spin again. It seems that our understanding of the universe is always modeled after the culture in which it is perceived, so in the “information age” I suppose a Supermatrix Theory fits right in with our paradigm … but who knows … maybe this time we're onto something … just like when we were having to accept that the Earth is a sphere …. this has similar implications … practical in terms of our existence here inside the machine … it brings us one layer closer to seeing “outside the box” …

murf

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Hey Murf…

We are in complete agreement…

Yogi

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Hey Yogi …

OK then … way cool … I have a question for you and some commentary that I would be most interested in hearing your thoughts on …

You, having had some experience in the Yogi thing … if we suppose for a while that the Supermatrix is real, how might we apply the practise of meditation to our updated model of how things are? For example, how might we be able to make a request to the program that will result in actual change to the environment?

I have pondered this topic a little and offer the following in hopes that you might be able to propose something to advance the possibilities … My thinking on these lines is that while the human brain is indeed a complex processor, it is largely too undisciplined to be “allowed” access to higher functions of the program. For example, an undisciplined mind with full access could wreak havoc and probably end up destroying the universe itself. So the theory on this is that as a security precaution, only highly disciplined minds would have access to the higher levels of the program … and coincidentally, meditation is very good at disciplining the mind to this end. But it doesn't end there. As we evolve our own computers, they will in fairly short order exceed human processing capability … so how can we use this knowledge … what lessons can we apply from meditation to the “interfacing” of our future data processing systems with the Supermatrix?

Have your read, The Age of Spiritual Machines?

murf

murf

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Hey Murf…

The matrix of the human mind has subtle complexities science has yet to ponder, let alone replicate any time soon.

This discussion has brought about the two biggest questions in llife…

One- How can we use our knowledge of the true nature of reality to our advantage?

Two- Why are we here?

One…You are correct in your post. As we purify our minds, we have more control of the supermatrix. We gain control through using various concentration tecniques and exercising your willpower. You gain mastery over mind and body through right living and right thinking. Your heart will tell you what actions will bring you closer to realization of the true nature of things and what actions will cloud your mind.

We try to expand our minds to encompass the vastness that is the supermatrix. It is like a small pond reflecting the moon at night, When the winds form ripples on the surface, you only see a distorted image. However if you calm the waters, you see the true image which truly never was distorted in the first place.

Two…Use number one to fully realize the truth, that we and our father (the supermatrix), are one. Once we attain this state, we have reached enlightenment.

Peace and love

Yogi

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thanks yogi

the energy patterns were made known to me … through seeing … and i compare that now the the matrix idea … from the movie

so I see others have linked it too… as the supermatrix …

reading, and reading, and reading about it would make one just more confused… and maybe even closed to seeing it, it seems to me…

peace and love

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hello all,

 fascinating posts indeed. I really enjoyed reading through some of these..thank you!

 Alot of ground has been covered here and I would just like to add that the most recent posts in regards to meditation and re-merging with the source.  If the entire ocean is found in a dew drop, fine, but what's beyond the ocean? 

As one let's go of conditioned thought that is confined to the realm of the ego and logic, one sees a larger integral perspective.  As consciousness expands, perspectives and different realities increase exponentially.  Time and space warp. For example the idea of various heavens and dieties reported across spritual traditions could very well just be the visual representation of a countless amount of perspectives that Self or Spirit can cognize or be aware of…and that therefore exist. So what is IT that is seeing more of the code and to an extent rewriting the code? 

To take this to the second highest levels of realization/meditation in terms of what we deem enlightenment  than there will eventually become a point where we gain the viewpoint of the Creator and as such become the Creator no? Do we have now have choice and free will?

So the question I have related to  a little bit to earthenergy's point i think then is… if we can then move beyond words and concepts..in effect move beyond the creator (which is still a concept, so can be contained in even the form of a thought)…what is the source? what is left? What's beyond the coder,  and the coding?  

So ultimately then for one at this state… the very typing of this note would be absolutely meaningless and yet the most meaningful expression of the source at the same time?

Emptiness if Form, Form is Emptiness?

Sorry, I realize that this doesn't add any practical stuff to this post but I just rolled with the random thoughts and questions in my mind.

may the source be with you  :)

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I'm loving the evolution of this discussion however I am having trouble with two concepts expressed that don't seem to match up on the surface.

In Yogi's last post he mentioned that we would gain control of the supermatrix through using various concentration techniques and exercising willpower. However earlier in the conversation Murf you mentioned:

“…we have no real choice in how our part plays out, so we really don't have anything to worry about in terms of “purpose” or “responsibility” … just like everything else, our mere existence is our purpose. It needs no justification. Others will of course dispute this, claiming that free will exists and so does choice, but the evidence just doesn't support that notion.”

If there is no free will in the Supermatrix then how can the exercise of it unlock the a degree of access? I am personally a fond believer in both determinism and free will and do not find the two mutually exculsive and wonder how you believe it would be resolved in the Supermatrix theory?

Namaste

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3jem…

You have a grasp of the true nature of things. The supermatrix (God, God matrix, source of all posibilities) is everything. There is no beyond, and there is no separation between us and IT, we just do not realize it fully.

Our true nature can be depicted as in the example givin to us by the ancient rishis…

Imagine the God-matrix as a vast palace covered in jewels. Each jewel reflects the whole scene. We are the jewels…In each of us we reflect the totality of the God-matrix.

Peace

Yogi

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Hey Drake…

Each day we can choose to do those things which bring us closer to understanding the truth, or we can do those things which are detrimental to this understanding.

When we are living rightly, it is said that we are living in our dharma.

The fact that we are already as close to the God-matrix as we will ever be (we just have to iincrease our knowing) reveals a system in which there really is no change, we all ultimatly have the same destiny. However in this material plane, where we believe there is a separation from God, we make choices (which are really an illusion) which can bring us closer or farther away from God.

It is maya which distorts our vision of the true nature of things and gives it this dualality.

Particles are held in a quantum state where they can only be represented by a wave (they occupy many diferent places at once) Only when we make our observation does the particle “snap” into a definitive place or state…

Peace

Yogi

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We can use our powers of concentration and willpower to focus on abundance and wealth to create these in our lives…

We must however decide if these are the things we want or do we desire God, and not his toys.

When you make the descision to seek God alone, then all other things will be added unto us without effort…

Peace

Yogi

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“When you make the descision to seek God alone, then all other things will be added unto us without effort…”  -yogi

 Om tat sat

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Yes thank you, I knoe the mathematical formula's of relatvity. (though the general theory of relativity, did not permit travelling backwards in time, in so you would be at a point before you left. This is only later hypothesized, but, mathematically seen, (that is if you accept e=mc square for instance to be correct) travelling backwards in time is impossible. And I am studying the deepest intricacies op quantum mechanics. And know that there is so far no theory to support, material travel backwards into time. ( at least, theories of which we will be able of proving them)
And yes, time is relative, and an illusion therefore aswell. It is defind in the way we relate ourselves to the outside world. That's why it is so aptly called relativity.
But I wasn't stating that. I was stating 'no-time' places in space, where there simply can't be time, according to E=mc suare. (to roughly define general relativity)
It is not a matter of time I was trying to show, but the difference between time and no-time. It then doesn't matter how you define it. It is the possibilty of a zero, inside a mathematical equation. This may sounds simple. But as far as we know it. The only zero you will encounter in fysics, will be the one of no-time. Zero mass for instance is only applicable for particles without time.
And things without mass, turn out to be quiet alike with our consciousness, but that's a whole different story.

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Allright, I see this discussion is more about the somewhat (more generally defind) spiritual part of reality. This interests me as well. And please, though most scientist don't care whether it exist, or not, or how it works. It doesn't mean there are no people putting effort in it understanding. I am one of those people.

Yogi, you know the schrodinger cat. That is a great start for me (the best in fact) But you are only refering yourself to wave function. This “snap” is exactly that part of science I'm studying. This snap Or Reduction of the wave function. Is what makes the critical difference between a living or a death cat. So how does it “snap” if both odds are exactly the same? because evidently it has to. This is determined by your consciousness. What you think that will happen will happen…
Scientifically seen, it's a ridiculous answer. But it is one of the best we have.
So every person, with it's unique attributing wave function, has a basic conscious sphere arounf himself. Then the questions to the supermatrix would be, How do these 'spheres' perceive, can they interact, are they dependant of the laws of nature, can they act directly?
Meditation is a proven methode of calmness and better mental activity. Maybe it's a challange for us. You see, normal people only actively use 30 percent of their brein. This means that 70 percent of your decisions are made unaware. Thereby possibly fully controling your 'mental “snap” sphere' aswell. If through meditating you are able to get your conscious thinking patern over the 50 percent (usage) threshold. It would only seem logic to me, that you will have direct affect of all the matter surrounded by that particular sphere.
And yet, for the explanation of things such as meditation, the already existing scientifical knowledge is sufficient..

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Well Well Well …

I see we still have some lively discussion going on regarding Supermatrix Theory. It is true that I have had some great exchanges lately on how some of the ancient faiths have analogies that can be applied to the Supermatric Theory. However the Supermatrix Theory is not based on faith, it is based on logical plausibility backed by observations which form a part of the circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory. Some of these observations are part of hard science. Others involve the paranormal, and others include religious concepts.

On the concept of time travel, the Supermatrix Theory absolutely allows for this phenomena to occur. It also explains quantum entanglement and the mechanism behind the Big Bang. For now I will post on time travel …

On Time Travel:

The Supermatrix Theory allows for the phenomenon of time travel in more than one way. I stress the word phenomenon, because the effect is only from the point of view of those inside the Supermatrix itself. From the point of view of the program, time continues to move forwards. The effect is plausible by selecting the material you want to move backwards in time and treating it like an “object” similar to the way you can select an object in a graphics editing program, then while the material is isolated ( analagous to being cut ), the program can be frozen and “undone” or “restored” to a specific state in the past, then the isolated material can be placed back into the program. From all points of view within the supermatrix, this would appear to be time travel. This also raises other interesting points, including the suggestion of multiple and parallell universes, all of which fit nicely with current theory.

murf

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Follow Up - On Time Travel:

The Supermatrix Theory allows for the phenomenon of time travel in more than one way. I stress the word phenomenon, because the effect is only from the point of view of those inside the Supermatrix itself. From the point of view of the program, time continues to move forwards. The effect is plausible by selecting the material you want to move backwards in time and treating it like an “object” similar to the way you can select an object in a graphics editing program, then while the material is isolated ( analagous to being cut ), the program can be frozen and “undone” or “restored” to a specific state in the past, then the isolated material can be placed back into the program. From all points of view within the Supermatrix, this would appear to be time travel. This also raises other interesting points, including the suggestion of multiple and parallell universes, all of which fit nicely with current theory.

murf

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I agree with Domus, that your Supermatrix construct is a model, rather than a theory. The tools that we have to investigate the strength of a theory (perception, senses), are a part of the Supermatrix and cannot provide independent, objective information which is necessary to test the theory.

Supermatrix is a plausible, clever and beautiful model for deity, which can be appreciated and worshipped. Your model may help you and others to understand the influence of the divine in our Cartesian-framed culture. For that, it has great value.

Warmest regards,

Gravity

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Supermatrix …

The title Supermatrix Theory falls within all primary grammatical definitions applicable to the topic. The theory itself uses analogy, and in doing so various models can be constructed. No further debate is required and it would be best not to restate in different terms what I have already put forth, and then use logic applicable to that interpretation to illustrate your point. If you do that, you risk divergence from the topic itself and hence the discussion loses its integrity.

Previous posts have also dealt with the issues of time and objective evidence. Supermatrix Theory can easily handle issues involving time travel, and objective information can indeed be gathered from within the Supermatrix that lends support to the theory. Reflect on the posts regarding time travel and the mention of those experiments that illustrate quantum entanglement.

Let me know where you are having a problem and I'll do what I can to work through it with you. If I find that my own paradigm needs revision as a result, then fantastic … that is what it is all about.

murf

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Well, honestly to me, Supermatrix theory looks as a figment.
It looks to me as something that is made up to explain various problems, or not fully understood happenings in the world. The problem is, that the 'theory' was made to answer these questions.  This isn't a Theory, this is an answer to the problems. Such as multiple religions answer other various questions. Supermatrix just sounds scientific (that is to me) because it deals with a scientific vocabulary.
A real scientfic theory is there because of a singular logicically deductive phenomena. It explains, only that phenomena. And once it has proven to explain that phenomena it can start testing it's validity on under points of interest.
A theory comes from a hypothesis. That explains a singular well directed (not broad spectred) question. Which makes it possible to either test the theory or not.
Supermatrix theory is just goofing around with all the answers. Sure it is nice to have all the answers, but only if you can explain how you got them, and what problems, or interesting phenomena you derived them from. Cause, You haven't told us one single phenomena, that we can see or test for ourselves, that is logically explained by your theory.
Making me believe, that Supermatrix theory, is nothing but a figment.

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OK Domus …

Like I already said, I'm not going to debate the phraseology because it's just fine. I've posted examples of phenomena and I've posted explanations. I've also asked for specific questions that would make you happy. But if you insist all that this is all just a “figment”, who am I to argue with you … I'm sure you have many other figments besides this one too …

murf

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Murf, in your rendition of the theory of our existence through the movie The Matrix, do you still support an idea of there being slight malfunctions in the supermatrix, perhaps in the form of people with any type/form of schitzophrenia. Mental illness in general? How about natrual disasters? are those controlled by the advanced computer system as well, perhaps in a highly complex probablity system? It is all very interesting. Additionally i would like to add that the sheer scale of the universe has so far been incomprehendable, so where would you draw the line of where the massively complex computer program stops existing, if thats what you mean by the theory of course. Perhaps everything we have ever known is mathmatics, the timing of everything, the movement. Certainly a large proportion of what we know is mathematical and the Fibbonacci number system comes to mind when i think of this theory. Anyway i'm going WAAAY off track. I just wanted to give some input to the supermatrix theory.

Tom-

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TheFreeOne …

Your questions are insightful and relevant. They advance the discussion and it is a pleasure to participate in the group when those like yourself take an interest. Thank you.

In Supermatrix Theory, there are independent alogrythms for a variety of things. For example, there may be one for each of the fundamental forces of nature, one for each of the four dimensions in spacetime, and so on. Altough these formulas are designed to work together at various levels, it is possible that the relationships between them breaks down at the extreme ends of each phenomena that they are responsible for. For example where the result of one of the algorythms becomes zero ( absolute zero ) or ( speed of light ) or ( black holes ). This imbalance could cause a discrepancy or paradox in the expected results. These are one kind of “glitch in the matrix”.

Other glitches are also possible, however with respect to your examples, these would not normally be considered glitches. They are the results of the program performing the way it would normally perform. Interestingly, with respect to your weather example, scientists in Japan are working on a 30 year in advance weather forecasting system based on a virtual world weather modeling program that uses quantum mathematics.

On the “sheer scale of the universe”, Supermatrix Theory accounts for this in a relative way. From inside the Supermatrix, everything appears to be infinite. That is because of the way the program is designed. For example, fractal mathematics is infinitely recursive and it appears that much of the phenomena in our spacetime matches this concept. So it should not be all that difficult to mathematically dilineate infinite dimensions relative to the content contained within them.

This brings us to the question of the boundaries. This is an extremely interesting question because it is where we might see “outside the box” so to speak. From within the supermatrix itself, things are infinite, yet the whole program is run within the confines of the data processing system. The analogy here to present technology are some of the new computer games that dynamically create an environment based on the parameters of the players and their movements. From inside these virtual game worlds, something the size of a virtual personal computer is very small … yet that whole virtual world and many others can be run on a “real” PC, which in reality may be only the size of a book.

I'd love to go on … but that's all I have time for now. Thanks again for your excellent questions. Please reflect on these and you will start to get the idea on your own. It's not really all that complex … and the way it seems to fit with everything is amazing.

murf

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Returning recently from my vacation, I see that 'Figment' Might not have been the most politcal expression.
I think your Supermatrix Theory is a 'Stand-alone model' and I refuse (very ennoyingly yes) to end this discussion on a verbal mistake, or argument.
I will begin more profoundly.

You say: -
”However the Supermatrix Theory is not based on faith, it is based on logical plausibility backed by observations which form a part of the circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory. Some of these observations are part of hard science. Others involve the paranormal, and others include religious concepts.”

I'd like to know which observations form a part of the circumstantial evidence. Gve links reports or anyhting that can make us imagine or test these observations our own. Give well documented arguments. Please.

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 “a seed is not unlike a compressed file, when it is opened, the universe would literally expand from a point source of zero within the program, not unlike the big bang theory and from the point of view of the program, everything is indeed connected simulataneously. You see … this theory is not so wacky as it first appears”

Do you mean by this that the supermatrix is still growing? and changing?

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“The results produced by these calculations are similar enough to those produced by the algorythms used by the Supermatrix itself, that we tend to think that the universe works according to our rules … when in fact the universe works according to rules of the “program” that generates the supermatrix itself. The closer our mathematics comes to that of the supermatrix itself, the more accurately we will be able to anticipate how things will work out.”

Then how do you explain quantum (wave function) reduction? It cannot be anticipated mathematically whatsoever. How are you going to let a perfect mathematical computer-like world continue, If it cannot mathematically anticipate its own outcome? How does the supermatrix handle it's mathematical problems it cannot solve by himself.? (just to let you know, science doesn't really know either, all we know for sure, is that it is there.)

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“To answer the question of “Which phenomena does the theory explain”, I would have to say everything I have so far encountered. To be specific, I would have to write a book on the topic, which is not practical here.”

This is a rather weird part. Does the theory explain everyhting, or is everything explained by the theory? (this is a fundamental difference)

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“However it is safe to say that Supermatrix theory does imply a creator. And if such exists or existed at some point in the past, then the purpose of the supermatrix would be rooted in the reason(s) for its creation. ”

If it does imply a creator, we get the classical question, of who created the creator? another supermatrix? which on its turn was created aswell?

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As you see I Re-read everything you said.

You have posted some phenomena, and some explanations. But never the path, how you got to these explanations. The reasoning is missing. The logically deductived explanations, are therefore not really logical to me, because i miss the 'deductive' part.

You tell us to think like in a super-computer. But then I think of the limitations of computers:
They all jam when proposed with infinity.
Why doesn't our world then?

Ulixes

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Just came across this thread. Sorry if this has already been covered.

The notion that the universe (or multiverse) is a quantum computing simulation - or more accurately, that the quantum computer is one aspect of the Kosmos - is taken fairly seriously by theoretical physicists. See Seth Lloyd's book ”Programming the Universe” for more information. In this approach, there isn't really any wavefunction collapse since an active decoherence process by which the Kosmos isolates different sets of possibilities is assumed. This approach is also considered as a “fourth road to quantum gravity” and this is outlined in Seth Lloyd's book as well.

Incoporating consciousness into the multiverse-as-quantum computer will not be easy but perhaps not as hard as it is with the present state of physics. See David Chalmers' ”Matrix as Metaphysics” article for more on this theme.

Anand 

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So a wavefunction reduction, would in essence be predicted by a instablity, which predicts a set of possibilities? Isn't that somewhat the same, but then in different name? (i Haven't checked your source yet).

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Not sure what you mean by “predicted by a instability.”

The basic idea behind decoherence is that it is a process by which the multiverse splits into different possibilities. The different possibilities never interact again. A set of possibilities can stay coherent. For example, right now, if you're reading this, you (presumaby) don't see your monitor existing in three places - to the right and to the left of where you currently see it. Those possibilities have decohered away. But, the possibilities can stay coherent as well allowing us to perform quantum mechanical experiments where we cannot (easily) give a clear cut mechanical explanation of certain physical processes - as in, which hole did the electron go through?

So, in decoherence, the appearance of a quasi-classical world (quasi because certain possibilities stay coherent in it) is due to a physical process in which possibilities separate from each other and not due to a process in which the possible becomes actual via wavefunction collapse.

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So it's a bit like a mathematical dimension?

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Thanks. I'll take your advice to catch up on some background information that I may have missed. My apologies.

Respect,

Gravity

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as cool and sci-fi as all that sounds, it seems to be rooted in idealism, and even monotheism. 

it might be tremendously unscientific of me, but i'm not convinced that all of the perceivable and not-so-perceivable fields can be unified under one theory besides “it is what it is.” 

maybe you're attempting to integrate all of your sci-fi tendencies, your new age tendencies, and the monotheistic tendency that pervades modernity.

i'm not really a fan of mono-anything, though.  it's annihilates the concept of infinity, and i'm just not a nihilist.  …i did really like “the matrix,” though.

respectfully, sunny 

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I would not want to try to explain it , well, I could not, but I did see it.  (Super-matrix) and I'm convinced many others have seen it also… and it is available to be seen and experienced./.. once you get out of the way… because while you are in your “you” … it is not visible to you… but once you totally step aside, and are able to quiet your thinking mind sufficiently… i.e for long enough, or with enough practice (I'm not sure of the exact mechanism… but I do know the matrix will appear and disappear as you move from self to not self… in that moment… ) … so don't crucify me if I don't know how or why or all those kind of labels, attachments, tags, (actually it seems the Wisdom Traditions have all those explanations in there for you to read and study). The picture which I use as my icon is how the super matrix looked to me… but of course I saw the energy of my little locality here where I was sitting.

Anyway, if you keep chasing it, the further away it will be.  If you stop and be still, you may get closer to seeing it… oh, I almost forgot… if you “want” to see it… you cannot, because as I said you cannot see it while you are in your “you” … and that's where the “want” is coming from… so … if you get out of your “you” and therefore you lose your “want” … then it might appear… well, it did for me… it was unexpected and spontaneous… so I don't want to see it again… but I can see a “thread” of it … even now… I just sort of unfocused my eyes and I can see the energy there…  or to put it another way, I don't look at anything and then i see it.

But to make a bullet proof theory of it? … way beyond me, that's for sure… or even being able to read a bullet proof theory or any theory of it … also beyond me.

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it sounds to me like this is all about god, and you like the word supermatrix.

but i hear that once you start talking about it, you move farther and farther from what it is.  so many names for god, what's all that about?  i tell ya.  i once met a bunch of jokers who would sit around and make this noise:  hyyyuuuuuuuuuuu, claiming that there was no god before god, just the sound, and that god came after.

it's all so much fun, though, i guess, burning the brain up, thinking up all the new faces of god.  didn't somebody even have a god that had thousands of faces to try and cover everybodies idea.  wait, maybe his name was Supermate Ricks, spaaawwwwwning the idea of the…well…i won't say it.

just foolin, sunny 

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The super-matrix construct sounds great, and very plausible! 

It's a shame that it has to be called a theory. It would be better to simply allow yourself to believe in certain possibilities like supermatrix, without having the scientific pressure of a theory. This type of belief in non-measurable possibilities is the basis for most religions.

Perhaps we will discover and measure supermatrix. Then what? What made supermatrix?

My point  is not that  supermatrix  isn't  possible, my point is that the unknowable is unknowable.

Respect,

Gravity

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No, I couldn't agree more. You should enjoy the world as is. It is beautiful already and the best to look at, as we do every day.
But that is the fun part of this branch of science. We don't know how it is going to end, and frankly I don't think it will be something of one theory. That is also why its not a very popular branch of science, It is too much infinity, too little determenisme.

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I hope I'm not a buzz kill.  But I don't think you can call this a theory.  Thereis no theory you juts renamed god, as far as I can tell.  If I'm wrong please show me, but it juts seems like you've said “Ive got a theory about the universe, it's called supermatrix theory” but there's no theory.  It's a title without a body.

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Exactly!

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I hope I’m not a buzz kill.  But I don’t think you can call this a theory.  Thereis no theory you juts renamed god, as far as I can tell.  If I’m wrong please show me, but it juts seems like you’ve said “Ive got a theory about the universe, it’s called supermatrix theory” but there’s no theory.  It’s a title without a body. >>

I have to agree, at least from what I’ve read so far. I think there’s truth to it, just as the movie, The Matrix makes serious metaphors about our reality. The writers of that series didn’t just make it up, they had some background in metaphysics…you can see the Platonic (matrix=the cave?) and Gnostic influences. David Icke and others have recently expressed the idea that we really are living in something akin to the Matrix. So I’m not disagreeing -just wondering how this is a new theory or yours.

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Let me suggest two endorsements to the Supermatrix Theory

the first is The Evolution of Theories.
If we compare the earliest theories on record to the latest and look at the pace in which humanity replace the old with the new, we can be certain that soon and beyond any doubt we shall live in an entirely different world; one which only very few of us can foresee.

The second is The Beauty of Complex Theories
Partially the reason why we love and believe in Complex Theories is because in the event of revelation and then in the sufficient and reliable sustainability, a theory is sheer bliss and in it one can sense the genius, mysterious and beauty of our reflecting consciousness.

If one ever understood any foundational law in physics or in math, like falling in love you can not stop waiting and you hate  to decline.

One sky is just enough for most people while some are enjoying the seven’s sky.

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Domus note in bold

Theory

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

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Yes, I know what a theory is, but if you look closely to your (probably dictionary entrance) you see why the 'Spuermatrix Theory' isn't one of them;

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Hey I just like your writing and really only wanted to see your response.

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I am attempting to present another view here.

Since the Supermatrix theory? seems to be attempting an explanation of Nature of Reality inspired by the movie Matrix (see religious/philosophical and other perspectives on the movie) may be we can approach it this way.

Lets say there is a matrix (or lot of them in our planet) build by artificial intelligence (which parallels human and extra-terrestrial intelligence working) with Nature's quantum field and holographic universe ( or Nature's Supermatrix). So our earth reality and our human body-mind is product of both artificial (Not primordial) and Natural (primordial/ spiritual/ non-physical) intelligence. So there is both natural evolution of life and also artificial genetic manipulation and social/psychological engineering to some extent.

What i took from the matrix movie is how mass mind perception, attitude and beliefs have always been influenced and imprisoned by those who wanted to remain in power. People of knowledge (spiritual or scientific) have always been feared and persecuted by official power groups because knowledge of unknown may upset the staus quo. A lot of human history, political economy and social evolution have been influenced or even engineered by elite power groups/families, through subtle mind manipulation, so most people in fact live within a false mind-matrix  of social consciousness without being aware of it. Unbiased  pursuit of Knowledge and truth seeks to unplugg human beings from the false matrix, so the innate power/ creative potential within each human beings can be properly engaged towards conscious evolution and upliftment of entire human condition.

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After reading many of these posts, i felt compeled to respond and expound my views and obsevations.  I believe that there are many people out there who find thiese ideas fascinasting, for whatever reason.  And who can blame them, wouldn't it be nice to believe that this world is an illusion?  But let's take a step back and re-examine what it is we call reality.  Reality is the form of all things real.  Got that: REAL.  What do we know is real?  We know that the physical world is real, correct?  Well at least most of us do.  In our longings for a more interesting and exciting reality, many of us create realities according to our own wants and wishes.  This is folly.  We cannot escape the fact that 1+1=2.  Or that a man cannot drive a car through a brick wall without major damage to the car and probably himself.  These are the facts.  No matter how hard we try, we will never be able to make 1+1 equals 4.  This just does not happen in reality.  We must be able to open our eyes to the world around us, and realise that we cannot run away from the world that is right in front of our face.  I believe that once humanity begins to do this, all the secrets of the universe will be ours for the taking.  For once we begin to see the world as it truly is, then we will be able to unlock the secret to our existence.  There very well may be some sort of universal computer, that exists in the ether of existence.  This is a very plausible explanation, when taking into consideration all that we know about the world today.  But to go on believeing that what we see, touch, taste, hear and smell is all an illusion, is preposterous.  Instead of approaching the subject with the mindset of: “Let's see if we can prove reality wrong”, we should approach it with an attitude of acceptance and curiosity, a scientific method of explaning reality, and in turn, being better able to control it.  If we approach the subject of the Supermatrix Theory with an open mind about the reality of the situation, with the motive of trying to understand this particular aspect of our existence, instead of trying to prove that the world we live in is simply a computer generated “virtual world”, then we may begin to find that this “intergalactic computer” that controls the universe, is simply our own concsiousness.  People tend to underestimate the power and purpose of our concsiousness.  We all seem to want to hand control over to some “higher power” or creator.  To believe that we are not held responsible for our own realities.  

I hope that everyone, one day will open their eyes and see for the first time, that we are the “higher power”, that we are the creators of this amazing existence that we all share.  That, to me, is the most exciting thing in the world, to understand that we hold the power of the universe in our hands.

And therein lies the true Matrix.  The world around us has been veiled from our eyes for millenia.  We have been told that reality is merely an illusion, that the true existence lies in some higher realm, untouchable by us as mortals.  But all the time we were believeing that we were living in a dream, the real world flew right past our eyes, unseen.

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I can relate very well with the idea of this universe beeing an illusion. But this axion doesn't lead anywhere, since we not answer the question, hows illusion it is.
I want to menschend one thing first, about what the sienentist discovered. I hope my description makes sense. When they observed the universe, black holes particulary, they found out, that the amount of information within and around a black hole is definend by the surface not the volume of it. That means that the universe is actually a flat picture, projected as a hologram on a fast surface.
But one more time, how's illusion is it? How many mind's are there? You can only know about something, that is a part of you, otherwise you could not possibly know about and percive off it. So, there is the sum off all there is, the source of all, the autor of all, we may call It God. And there seemed to be you, as a separeted body indentitiy. How wourld dream a dream of separation like this, where everyhing dies, what do you thing, you or God?

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Please don't make boundries to your own reality. It let's you see the true truth, it isn't determenistic.
For:
One heap of sand, plus another heap of sand, is still, one heap of sand…
     1                            +                           1                =                 1

Think about it. ;)

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Do you mean we are like experiements in gods lab?

I can kind of see this.

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Yes of course we are all some form of lab-rats! And when we do not comply to gods bureaucracy we will all be killed and thrown away! (please tell me you denoted the Irony in this.)