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Violence

Dwayne [no longer around] said Jul 28, 2006, 7:18 PM:

 

Violence is at the core of our being. We, meaning individuals, you and I, making up the idea of “we”, are each contributors to the madness labeled Society. Each of us are Society.

Violence has its roots in fear. We fear many things most importantly we fear death. Our lives our built on protecting ourselves from the reality of death. We acquire things in order to fulfill emotional addictions based in that fear.

Logically “my” becomes the siren call of the masses built individual by individual.

My nation. My state. My government. My religion. My house. My car. My job. My furniture. My clothes. My pet. My ideas. My philosophies. My spirituality. My desires. My anger. My love. My wife. My boyfriend. My son. My daugther…and the “my’s” continue into eternity.

The ego creates the cushion of the “my” as an illusion that we have attained something. That we mean something. That our lives are worth something. That we’ve made a statement. Death means nothing when the veil of smoke that the ego has created clouds our minds to reality.

WE WILL DIE.

So. What’s the point of acquiring? What’s the point of “my”? What’s the point of protecting what is “ours” whether it be “nation”, “culture”, “religion”, or material possessions? Do you as an individual see how you have contributed to the world’s violence.

It is ever so subtle. It is so fine that only the sharpest minds and the keenest intellect sensitive to conditioning can understand our individual contributions to violence and hate and anger and selfishness.

Only the razor sharp mind willing to give up EVERYTHING is able to see how every aspect of their daily lives creates the violence we struggle so hard to get rid of. We cry “PEACE!, PEACE!” and yet we cannot see our anger towards those that we conceive of as being warmongers. We see the splinter in another’s eye but we fail to see the 2 x 4 in our own. We are so fooled by our arrogance and self-righteousness that we cannot see the court jester hat we wear.

The difference between freedom and enslavement is the understanding of how and when we are being conditioned.

To go deep into our own psyches without judgement or condemnation, without the idea of right or wrong is the only way to see our violent nature. The only way to transcend our violence is to go into it with the energy you would have if your house were burning down. To transcend you must understand and to understand you must have no opinion.

Our fear is to stand naked before ourselves and the world around us. To stand naked with our emotions, our attitudes, our idealogies, our beliefs and our desires. To be so vulnerable that we die to the world.

This fear of losing ourselves to no-thing is so compelling that only genuine courage and love are the doorways to salvation.

If you won’t see the violence within you that you unconsciously enable, why won’t you see it? What are your fears? Are you so happy in a world with possessions and the ownership of fiction that you are willing to sacrifice “heaven on earth” for the sake of a few decades in hell?

  lee : reflection

Re: Violence

lee said Jul 29, 2006, 2:53 AM:

 

perhaps violence need not be transcended so much as transformed. after all, violence is merely an expression of oneness with a single aspect accentuated. in fact, on many levels of existence, violence is not only desirable, but even essential to the life-process itself. for instance, if you engage in the process of eating, no matter whether you consume plants or animals, you will have to digest your meal. This is completed, in part, by the very violent breakdown of fibres and cells by the acid in our stomachs. this is nonetheless extremely useful, given the fact that our body cannot utilize the energy stored in most food unless the cells have been broken down into amino-acids (which the liver then rearranges into constellations specifically optimized for human consumption). if you are a cell, this process is disturbingly violent and most unfair. however, at another level, this process of violence and creation enables the absolute to unfold itself in ever increasing complexity, thus allowing life-forms like ourselves to evolve until we are able to consciously experience the infinite beauty of the kosmos. so, rather than repressing or abolishing violence altogether, perhaps we would do best to acknowledge violence as a simple facet of the ever-unfolding. 

  Jill : Joyful Woman

Re: Violence

Jill said Jul 29, 2006, 6:41 AM:

 

One of the things that I believe is that when our strengths become twisted, they are still as strong, simply an unhealthy expression of it.  When assertiveness becomes twisted it turns to aggression.  I think that instinctive survival mechanism that we all hold is truly wonderful.  It is protective.  It is appropriately cautious.  yes, it is territorial but everything in nature supports that type of balance.

This is a thought provoking topic and I've been sitting here thinking about it.  I'm not sure I would try to eradicate a healthy part of me or of you simply because too often the expression of it is twisted.  Instead I'd invite myself to get my thinking straight.

We sit in a time of tremendous violence (not unlike any other time in history)…. and I do believe that some of that is hidden in agendas and the accumulation of power and material.  But I also believe that a great deal of the violence we witness has ownership in our complacency of it.  The immediate assumption that we are powerless to effect change and must find a way to survive someone else's agenda.

So, that was one thread.  The other thread of thought I had was this.  In the surroundings of my job and my life I am liberally dosed with people who hold “Peace” as a cornerstone of their desire.  Not all, but many of these folks are some of the most violent people I know.  It isn't in their actions…. it comes out in the sarcasm and the bitterness and the hatred that peppers their speach.  If all things are energy, is there really a difference between one type of a strike and another?

Those are the morning thoughts.  You want change?  Speak up and keep talking.  You want peace?  Mark your words and make sure they reflect the peace you are seeking.

 

Re: Violence

Dwayne [no longer around] said Jul 29, 2006, 11:08 AM:

 

The violence I was referring to was that of motivated intention. Motivation to protect our fears, idealogies, beliefs and “way of life”.

I agree that there are violent processes in the universe which are necessary for life. For example, if the Sun were not violent we would not exist in this form.

My definition of violence in this case is one of the human mind constructed by the ego in order to protect itself.

 Thank you very much for helping me to elaborate that concept!

Namaste 

  jerry : grainofsand

Re: Violence

jerry said Jul 29, 2006, 9:41 PM:

 

Yours seems to be the post that I relate too the most, Lee. I don't believe violence to be a word or an idea that has to be bad. To me violence isn't evil, or horrible, or judgemental. It is an adjective word describing an act or process. My humanness automatically wants to ascribe violence to a destructive act. Someone else posted it as an ego manifestation. Thats the defination that I find so undesireable in myself. Anytime I use excessive force (violence), to achieve security, or to satisfy anything in my life, I suffer. I am an alcoholic in recovery, and examining my intentions to achieve balance in my life is all important. It is in me “instincts on rampage”. When I desire anything enough to give no thought to how it effects others, or myself, I die. We are all one. If I harm you, I harm me. If I take from you, I take from me. I believe violence, or excessive force is always a negative, destructive force if I use it for self-gratification, even if I intend to use to help “you”. I try to achieve the belief that all will be provided if my intention lines up with the universe. When I “get there”, all is well and violence becomes a moot point.  Thanks for the awareness.             

  Alex Chua : Clarity Coach

Re: Violence

Alex Chua said Jul 29, 2006, 7:55 AM:

 

Violence is one of many ways of expressing our pent up Energy. Anger, a powerful energy, is most commonly expressed as violence. In what other ways can we express anger and how do we go about doing so? Other than anger, what other variations of Energy might also be expressed as violence? Jillianne's experience at work seems to suggest that Peace can also be expressed as violence… or love… love triumphs over violence… …

  Jill : Joyful Woman

Re: Violence

Jill said Jul 29, 2006, 3:07 PM:

 

I'm not saying that peace can be expressed by violence.  I'm saying that frequently people are raging for peace.  The anger and bitterness and hatred at times is the same violence they are admonishing in the first place.

That peace comes through being peaceful…. not through verbal slamming.  Or a wave of non-acceptance.

AND… I'm also saying that nature supports the evolution through fire and transformation.  I think that the “manufactured” and deliberate acts of violence are ideologies that we need to shift and change.  But, I do think that the zeal and passion we are born with holds a purpose.  If we choose to channel it in a way that becomes violent and not especially helpful, that is the life we are creating.  If we choose to use it to invigorate and change…. nature is going to support that, too.

I like your question, Alex.  I think there are very healthy ways to express anger.  Anger is simply an emotion.  When it becomes a set mode for an ideology, it is no longer anger. … that is when it becomes bitterness, sarcasm, passive aggression…. etc.

  Alex Chua : Clarity Coach

Re: Violence

Alex Chua said Jul 29, 2006, 10:26 PM:

 

Thanks for the clarification Jillianne :-)

“nature supports the evolution through fire and transformation” this statement attracts m… it sounds true… yet it gives me a sense that violence might be a neccessary part of evolution & transformation… how scary… I pondered this for a while more & it seems that history supports this… think Gandhi… he advocates peace yet violence was often the result… from both his oppressors as well as his supporters.

On a seperate note, it has often been said that Gandhi was rather aggressive at home…

  Jill : Joyful Woman

Re: Violence

Jill said Jul 30, 2006, 5:30 AM:

 

Alex you said so many things that I just am finding myself wanting to respond to.  LOL

If you can separate the concept of violence as being a deliberate or reactionary process of individuals and just  hold the place for transformations and transmutations that are chaotic, violent or disruptive….. yep, nature supports the necessity of that.

Childbirth is a series of violent contractions.  Forest fires temper the Earth for a more lush growth.  Earthquakes are within nature's scope for change.

I don't believe the message of peace brings about violence.  I think the cerebral definition of what peace is creates a greater boundary.  I sometimes think if WE were more peaceful, our dedication to peace would also be more peaceful.

  mita : Awake-catalyst

Re: Violence Is a cry for help

mita said Jul 30, 2006, 7:54 PM:

 

Hi everyone

Loved reading all the thoughtful reflections on violence here. I read somewhere in Seth books that violence do not arise from hatred as much…as it is from a sense of deep helplessness. violence is a learned/conditioned behavior from deep gentic conditioning (ancient historical rivalry) as well as repeated exposure to violent experience like perpetual war/hostility as in Middle east and other parts of the world. Violence also comes from deep seated beliefs that power lies outside us…or belief in external authority and control. It also arises from addictive emotionally charged thoughts/polarized limited beliefs, belief in powerlessness of individual/small group actions , belief in blame and victimhood that is unconsciously glorified not only by power elites (to keep power) but also by well-intentioned progressives and communists alike.

The book Power vs force by david hawkins measures the power of human emotions/attitude like shame, guilt, (lowest) to anger…willingness…courage..love..peace…happiness…

joy, empowerment, appreciation (highest) by kineseology or human muscle strength testing. As we become more conscious and aware of our intimate inseparable part in reality creation we can realize the power of love and power of peace and the power of responsibility from within both at personal and collective level. And be the change we seek in the world.  So when life force is drained from us through long-term negative thinking, cynicism, fear-based beliefs and attitudes of mistrust violence may be a way to raise energy and engagement with life even if it means death, killing and war. 

However…i agree with jill and others there is everyday violence in the way we self-talk, speak or act in our daily interactions with sarcasm, cynicism, hurtful unconscious attitudes and control dramas. Also see the Thomas Merton Quote on everyday violence

  Alex Chua : Clarity Coach

Control Dramas

Alex Chua said Jul 29, 2006, 11:01 PM:

 

James Redfield identified four main personas that we adopt in order to gain Energy.

Somehow, this came to my mind… maybe it's just because I'm rereading The Celestine Prophecy now… synchronicity is a big thing for me & the book speaks of so muchsynchronicities! I just love it… the first time i read this book was many years ago… have forgotten most of it…

Anyway, James talks about the four personas using a range of motivation and manipulation that goes from passive to agressive…

Poor Me concentrates on gaining Energy through sympathy & the apportioning of Guilt to the listener in order to gain Energy.

The Aloof keeps individuals at arms length and conveys a hard to get or mysterious side to the onlooker. People might seek their attention and in doing so gives Energy to the Aloof.

Intimidator bullies or silently threatens through body language, incessantly reminding you of your failings. Your subsequent compliance and reliance being the vehicle by which they gain Energy.

The Interrogator is similar to the Intimidator, but this individual will use constant and vigorous questioning to demand Energy.

Poor Me & Aloof are passive & Intimidator & Interrogator are aggressive… but they are all after the same thing… attention, Energy, love etc…

The source seems to be inSecurity & the solution inLove… finding our Love from within & sharing it outwards…

  Jill : Joyful Woman

Re: Control Dramas

Jill said Jul 30, 2006, 5:31 AM:

 

I'm going to need to find another copy of that book.  I loved it.  I love the greater understanding I walked away with for how energy works and how I can choose to clean up the energy I put out into the world.

I'm so glad you posted this.

  Alex Chua : Clarity Coach

Re: Control Dramas

Alex Chua said Jul 30, 2006, 10:21 AM:

 

Other than the feeling of Happiness, Peace is what I seem to be seeking… yet the only time I seem to see real Peace is when I look through the eyes of dead people… I mean I look at them & they seem so peaceful… I sometimes see this in old people as well… but that's about it…

Babies & children look peaceful when they are asleep… most adults whom I had the chance to watch don't look peaceful even when they are asleep… 

I once asked myself whether I lived so I can die… but I saw no positive use for such a question… so I forgot about it… until now… thought I might as well put it out here since it popped into my mind… maybe some synchronicity might turn up…

  Lana : Venus Sequence & WaveMaker Coach

Re: Control Dramas and solution to the problem

Lana said Jul 30, 2006, 10:39 AM:

 

Hi All,

I love Celestine Prophecy. There was a movie that came out a few month ago I think. I had a shoeing in our Healing Center in Chicago. It is not the best movie in the world, but very close to the book for people who responds better to visuals.

This book is about WHAT. I wanted to share the HOW, that I've been working on for some time: 

The greatest questions after reading similar books remains how to really control your dramas. Knowing how you over-react and trigger other peole helps in becoming an observer. That is actually very useful, but for some of us, the gap between the stimuly and an over-reaction is very short and we miss the opportunity to observe our own drama game.

I've been working on how to solve the problem and create a bigger gap between the trigger and over-reaction in us and I've found and I am using some very effective techniques to REALLY control the damas. I have done a few TV and Radio programs that explain how to use this. There is a bunch of radio and TV programs to listen or watch at the bottom of the page, about 30 min each.

Here is the link to some of the programs. It is free and I am glad to share it with those of you who is looking for real SOLUTION 

Hugs to all, Lana  

 

Re: Control Dramas and solution to the problem

monkeymat [no longer around] said Jul 30, 2006, 9:36 PM:

 

Hi ! I'm new & I'm going to jump right in. I love the term “controlling our dramas”! never heard it put quite that way yet. I follow the spiritual teachings of Ernest Holmes -Science of Mind - totally consistent with “What the Bleep…” We manifest what we believe -therefore if we can keep clear loving , peaceful thoughts that's what we will manifest in our human experience- goodness & kindness, accepting of others warts & all. Accepting is not condoning bad actions though.  If we always think in the negative we will manifest more negativein our lives. Am I preaching to the choir here??;-)))

 we can choose not to “react” to a negative experience ( easier said than done I know but …)We are ALWAYS at choice & when someone pushes our buttons so to speak - they are still “our buttons” no one elses. Someone was just pushing my buttons today & unfortunatley I reacted negatively but after thinking about where the other person was coming from..hurt & fear. I am able to accept & hopefully soon let go! I am learning to use the words “oh that's interesting” a lot more now instead of jumping on someone's back reactively now.

namaste

Michelle

  michael : Flow Facilitator

Re: Violence

michael said Jul 31, 2006, 1:42 AM:

 

hello everyone

i think that violence is the symptom of fear

if one were to close ones eyes….

then physically point to where your past may be….

then physically point to where your future may be….

take a long look in that direction cause thats where fear likes to hide….

have fun

michael :)