Why Bleep Knowledge, Synchronicity, Sustainability, Money NOW!!!

This subpod This subpod What the Bleep Do We Know about Money is inspired by the movie What the Bleep do we know and the Desire What Else Is Possible NOW for us on this emerald planet here to Co-create consciously ;-)

Since money or currency is a man-made tool and money is the life-blood of economy, society, and community and touches all human endeavors…is it possible to design and Concsiously Co-create a tool or currency that opens up a universe of unlimited possilities?

Money that serves the whole pursuit of LIFE, LIBERTY & Happiness and not just survival with inequality and insecurity? This Pod is for fearless open-minded exploration of this very exciting and awesome possibility.

Alex and I welcome you to be part of something big, bold, inspiring and beautiful here.

Since money or currency is a man-made tool and money is the life-blood of economy, society, and community and touches all human endeavors…is it possible to design and Concsiously Co-create a tool or currency that opens up a universe of unlimited possilities?

Imagine Currency that serves the whole pursuit of LIFE, LIBERTY & Happiness and not just survival with inequality, war and insecurity?

This Pod is for fearless open-minded exploration of this very exciting and awesome possibility that open-minded Citizens everywhere can participate and contribute!!!!

We like everyone to keep postings simple, radical (pertaining to root) and brilliant here, so we all can be part of an integral holistic solution of a new kind of sustainable money that fosters unimaginable creativity, co-operation, enterprise and entrepreneurism both locally and globally.

So folks imagine and dream big and small simultaneously, ask deep questions, stay inspired. Think for yourself and think deep, make choices based on mindful contemplations. Quality of life is determined by quality of questions asked and pursued.

I am posting a few topic to get the ball rolling in the right direction. Alex and I welcome you to be part of something big, bold, imaginative and beautiful here.

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I find it a real life positive that I try to spend my money on things that I consider good things. By this I mean fair trade, locally naturally made or organically grown things, although sometimes it can be difficult to source them.

I wonder what the long term repercussion would be if the western buying trends shifted this way? (For countries that are used to our trade too.)

I think it's wonderful how the market is opening up for ethical investments, good sustainable living and natural products and almost everyone has the money to chose (in England and Australia anyway.) Also even on a low wage we can afford to support charities like Vision and Save the Children.

The freedom to do good and loving things with all of our power- time, money and energy- that is real freedom!

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Thankyou Happiness  for your  conscious thinking and choices about how we can spend money to support local economy and fair trade. Even our small donations to non-profit with vision that inspire us can make our world a better place.

I like to engage people about a broader vision of money (see next thread to watch video) that is empowering and that does not create huge debt-burden on people, national governments and businesses.

Have you ever thought about 'money' itself and not just how to use 'money'? Or about poverty and inequality in our world. Or any other questions regarding money????

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Yes! Vote with your dollar!
I always thought that Money was the root of all evil,
But that's  just because of the power it gives is usually used negatively to gain more power.

But think if we use that power positvely to spread more positivity.
We are in a capitalist corporate society,
but now there are companies that are based on Good personal Values,
and Triple bottom line, which includes the earth's welfare.
and they need our support.

I am lately coming to an acceptance, that the world I live in  involves  making money and spending money,  so If I must do these things I can choose to make money with work that reflects my values, and spend my money that way too!

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Angelika~
Many years ago I wrote a poem about the Power of Money.

The Power of Money
by Rosemarie E. Bishop

I deserve the power of money;
the power to share, the power to teach,
the power to give, the power to reach.

I deserve the power of money,
the power to do what's good,
to forgive with generosity
in heaven's neighborhood.

I deserve the power of money
to do all that is right,
to show the truest way to live
and bring others into the light.

It wasn't until many years later that I began to understand what these words meant. Many of my friends have printed the poem and have it on their refrigerators to remind them that money is a good thing when it's used for goodness, but when it was written I truly did not understand why it was so important to write. Since then I have learned and I embrace the concept of the positive energy large amounts of money can spread across the planet.
In love & light….
Ro

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Thank you for your beautiful poem. I notice when I get depressed about money- not having enough to live comfortably, I push it further away by cursing it and the whole system.
I like the line about deserving the power of money. I need to learn to welcome it into my life, so that I can live in that abundance as well as all the other abundances I have (Friends, Family,Love, A great place to live, Love) because I need to eat and eat WELL! Organic foods and the superfoods I like cost a pretty penny right now!
And I must believe I deserve it, because I know how to spend it on this societies positive change!

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Hello Susmita Hello Alex, and Hello Money

Thank you for starting this zPod, I am ready to engage in developing a new pattern for holistic whole worldly and inclusive current of money for all

Let us try another approach to money; a kind that i never really considered and I am about to start from the most basic stand that I can find about money.
 
What I know of money is that just like Nationalism and Religion, money is divisive and reason for bad struggles and wars.

We can fairly say that money is most common reason for conflicts not only between nations but also inside the family; it is I think today the major cause for violence in the family.

Money is also one of the main if not the leading cause for people inner struggle as money is the preferred alternative of most to prove their true value, talents and achievement.

I know that most people of today and for many generations we have spent our best prayer time to asking for much more money and it is a fact that people invest more money in lottery as well as illegal activity such as stealing and scamming; and much more are quiet conceivable ways to become of wealth.

Yet, all day we are exposed to the complex money markets where unimaginable sums of money are changing hands; we know about the world resources worth and how nations invade and control the natural resources of fellow nations regardless of the many victims of wars.

And with it we are exposed to different levels and kinds of propaganda or explanations along those very massive world money activities.

So we are drawn to feel that there is a currency in which some participate and the rest, us, the majority are kept out miserably praying and struggling and ready to kill whoever deems to stand in our way, including our dear family members in order to perhaps have money.

So we are well ready to learn any old or new trick including progressing human evolution and enlightenment why not – if we could make a lot more money.

So this is about where we are on this zPod aren’t we (?)

In other words, after having exhausted many different ways we are yet ready for the ‘what the bleep do we know’ way – and why not, really

Still the enormous weight of trying and the so many praying and the bitter struggle and the smell of sweat and blood that accompanies this money, just like the neat air-conditioned Bank Lobbies with those fast counting machines and clerks who mind our money less than a reckless casino player would.

Into this kind of devastating money moving image most of us are afraid to come close, even if you say; listen – we could build another world pattern with handling money and get all of us off this weird worldly attitude where we are pushed far off side the real currency main roads and stay poor and frustrated

Namaste
yosyama

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I absolutely applaud and support your motives but as you responded to my own comment to your  Getting Radical  blog post the design itself is faulty.

That being the case - changing the design requires a completely new approach at,  global level, before we can even start thinking of Colin Mason's optimal future history objectives in respect to the trouble with money.

The new approach will NOT necessarily be lead by the USA.  My dialogue with  Albert Klampt  in the Spiral Dynamics and Europe zPod thread has touched on an alternative approach in the context of the European Dream viz the American Dream.

I believe that the way that the European zone of influence is already beginning to encompass countrys such as India & China - may provide the model of the way forward to start realistically addressing the core money issue.

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Thankyou Yosyama for touching on how we intuitively feel and experience money in our daily reality. Getting in touch with this feeling is important so Evolutionary Wisdom can emerge out of the realization of emptiness of money.

Money has become the measure of all things including the worth of human life and human labor. We have come to count and know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

You wrote: ”I know of money is that just like Nationalism and Religion, money is divisive and reason for bad struggles and wars.”

Could money power be the source of corruption behind both the institution of Religion and Government? and Corporations?

As you pointed out money is the leading cause of conflict and war within family, community and nations. War between nations has become most devasting and is continuing unabated after World Wars I & II, popularized as the war to end all wars.

My interest in the question of money was aroused because I have grown up seeing unimaginable poverty in the slums of calcutta and I also saw the excess and waste in affluent nations. And I never could figure out why such excessive money (trillions) flows to the war machinery and defense budgets until I read this revealing article War is a Racket in 1997. One must wonder where does the financing for bloody War (including civil war), Revolution, Riot, Terrorism comes from?

Yo rightly mention enormous money (trillions) flowing through financial and currency markets of all kinds.

“Your money's value is determined by a global casino of unprecedented proportions: $2 trillion are traded per day in foreign exchange markets, 100 times more than the trading volume of all the stockmarkets of the world combined. Only 2% of these foreign exchange transactions relate to the “real” economy reflecting movements of real goods and services in the world, and 98% are purely speculative. This global casino is triggering the foreign exchange crises which shook Mexico in 1994-5, Asia in 1997 and Russia in 1998. These emergencies are the dislocation symptoms of the old Industrial Age money system.” -  Future of Money by Bernard Lietaer (former central banker and developer of euro)

Also see a ver informative site on OUR NATIONAL PRIORITIES

Whatever we fear, deny and resist persists.  Thank You for your post.
Namaste

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Thank you Susmita

Are you in fact saying & according to the Bleep, that the reason it persists is because we deny and resist it  - - Can this be examined in anyway - -

Don't we all deny and resist it just like you after you saw that poverty in the slums of calcutta - -

Could you further elaborate on that perhaps, and what do you see as solution - -

namaste

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I don't want to go to solution without engaging us in understanding the problem from all sides.

Beacuse it  is a deep issue that permeates every facet of life and human endeavors. So visitors please wonder and keep asking questions about why we humans do not understand something that is created by us - ( in this case money/ monetary system). Or did we create it?

The answer comes from the questions.

In your own life situation job or profession how money affects your choices and decision-making….be it non-profit, service, production, research, health care, business, career whatever.

Global situations like poverty, hunger, war we feel we can do nothing, when in fact We CAN… first accepting the situation or reality, then believing there must be something each of us can do…wondering..questioning staus quo.

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Thanks Susmita, this i do inquire  &  practice :)

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I agree with Angelika's post earlier:
Yes! Vote with your dollar!
I always thought that Money was the root of all evil,
But that's  just because of the power it gives is usually used negatively to gain more power.

But think if we use that power positvely to spread more positivity.
We are in a capitalist corporate society,
but now there are companies that are based on Good personal Values,
and Triple bottom line, which includes the earth's welfare.
and they need our support.

I am lately coming to an acceptance, that the world I live in  involves  making money and spending money,  so If I must do these things I can choose to make money with work that reflects my values, and spend my money that way too!

We get what we focus on.

If we want to have a united and open world we need a medium of exchange in order to share our work/time/goods.

That is the only purpose of money and deserves no more attention than we give to something like brushing our teeth.

We develop a habit of brushing our teeth because it is the right thing to do to take care of our teeth. Once it's a habit it really doesn't require our focused attention.

Develop the habit of paying attention where you spend your money-time (where do you work) and where you spend your money and focus your attention on what you want to manifest…Love…Joy…

The soul becomes dyed with the color of its thoughts. Marcus Aurelius

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In another post, I wrote:
I have read some of your links, Susmita, and I agree with you.  I have thought about returning to do a doctorate with a thesis around theories of value, and I empathize with your point of view.  The question, of course, is how do you initiate this type of paradigm shift. The powers that control fiat money aren't just going to quit because we call them out.  An organized strategy, which would probably involve armed resistance, would be required to bring about the changes you describe.  Are you willing to go there?  Do you think I overstate the case?  If so, where would one begin to develop a monetary system based on human capital and not debt?  Will this system bring prosperity to the billions?

And you responded:
Rick Thank You for your thoughts. The time has come for humanity to face the reality and make choices from vastly expanded holistic perspective. I invite you and others to be part of that fearless exploration and solution. The only evil is ignorance and Knowledge dispels any fear.
We need to be prepared with knowledge before the house of cards collapses or purposely collapsed. Our unconsciousness, coupled with so much misinformation and distortion of history is causing so much misdirected action and turmoil that one needs to go silent and ponder the implication. I do not see any armed resistance when the intelligent middle class becomes aware of the issues. But the knowledge gap seems to be huge, but its changing fast. Because this existing debt-money creating debt-slavery of people, government and businesses. It is not a fair game even for Corporations like Wal-mart , who are trying to survive and stay afloat by bucking the system.

This is a matter of competing realities.  We actually aren't the first people to understand that “reality” isn't created from matter but from thoughts.  “Money” began as a simple tool - a medium of exchange, a way to trade equitably, but quickly became a complex tool in the hands of people seeking power.  They, from their “holistic perspective”, beat you to the spot.  They defined what money is, and they did so effectively.  Most people who truly understand how banks create money through interest do not share the abhorrence for the system that you (and to extent I) express - they see it as a useful technology which has helped create western civilization (the “incentives” economy).   

Governments and corporations aren't debt slaves - they are profiteers who are enriched daily by the present system.  Walmart is hardly the victim of an unfair game; they are the winners in a zero-sum mentality the goal of which is to keep individuals in the role of serfs.  Machiavelli - like Lao Tsu - said if you want to keep the cattle contained, build bigger fences.

The warriors of the right love it when the left disappears to contemplate its collective navel.  They will tell you in a heartbeat that they are the doers, and we are the thinkers.  They will create the history that we “interpret”.  So far, this has been true.  Ted Turner once said that if you redistribute all the world's wealth so that everyone has an equal share, he would be a billionaire again in a couple months.  These types aren't going to go away, no matter how much silent contemplation we perform.

Nor is the game mathematically unsustainable.  It would be if the rules weren't malleable, but the people who own the game also own the rules (read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for an understanding of how the “rules” “work”).  The game of economics is designed to keep wealth in the hands of a relative few.  They have consolidated their power over several centuries, and they won't just go away.  They have the ability to create realities right alongside any we create.

Michael is on the right path, I believe.  We start by making changes to the rules where we can; for instance, replacing GAAP accounting with an accounting that more truly measures costs and gains.  Redirecting wealth to the poorest, by any means possible.  Holding individuals accountable for their corporate actions (eliminate the fiction of the corporate entity, at least as a legal protection).  Eliminating taxation, which serves only to enrich those who crave power.   Then, we build local economies, based on simple, effective technologies that don't require global corporations to construct. 

This is an all-night discussion, and I want to hear from others, so I am stepping down from the soapbox for the minute…

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thank you Rick for this quote, it certainly cleared enough of the issue so i can say now i understand some of Susmita’s insight. And Thank you Susmita

is there any further step or it is a quantum script?

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I really feel very encouraged now by all your thoughtful posts. To answer Dragon Dancer (love that name) and Angelika, I am all for conscious creators, entrpreneurs and conscious businesses bringing new and ethical values in doing business in as much win-win way for all parties as posible. They are restoring the soul of money in a monetary-system that is heartless.

And yes the design is faulty and mathematically unsustainable [both fractional reserve and usury or compound interest on privately issued debt-money creating problems of exponentially growing unrepayable debt and gambling with life]. No government  is not getting richer,  the US land, property is being owned by foreign investors  daily.

See how scarcity and debt-slavery maintained with appearence of prosperity! Right now our priorities and future is in the hands of greedy and often short-sighted investment bankers and venture capitalists.

Money is created when banks lend it into existence When a bank provides you with a $100,000 mortgage, it creates only the principal, which you spend and which then circulates in the economy. The bank expects you to pay back $200,000 over the next 20 years, but it doesn't create the second $100,000 - the interest. Instead, the bank sends you out into the tough world to battle against everybody else to bring back the second $100,000.”- Bernard Lietaer,

Here my post in Dropping knowledge site in response to Arundhati Roy's Blog on Acceptable Forms of Protest seems to have received approval.

Government is not free, since power to isssue money rests privately with centralized commercial banking, which produces unlimited debt-burden on people, government and businesses, but unlimited profit due to usury (charging compound interest on fiat-money with no inherent value)

It is the elite bankers who are financing war-military-intelligenge-prison-media-think tank complex and corporate greed to keep shareholders profit and people poor, confused and divided. Most bankers like most people and intelligentia is not aware of this.

See this new movie about what has been kept secret from people. www.freedomtofascism.com  and discussion in the Zaadz Pod on this movie.

Money is just energy!

Money is not evil, nor is it good. It is just energy. Before there was money, there was barter: you give me your pen for my fork, that sort of thing. Or perhaps, I help you get in your crops and your help get in mine. But this became a bit too cumbersome, to find someone who had exactly what you wanted and wanted exactly what you had. So we all agreed to trade these things for symbols of these other prodcucts or work, i.e. energy.

So the problem with money is NOT the money, it’s how people use it. If you want to do good with your money, you will. If you don’t care what kind of earth we live on, then you’ll be reckless with your money. If you are the sort of person who exploits others, then you will use money to take advantage of people. Period.

I’ve heard it said that the true culprit in the money system is interest. That this encourages people to hoard rather than spend, thus keeping energy out of the system. That is worth a discussion…

In peace,
Hollis

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I completely agree. Money is just a physical means to facilitate exchanging our energy. How you use it it up to you.

Where do you work? Where do you put/spend your work energy (income/money)?

Do you hoard it? If so, what are you afraid of?

I know many people that purchased their home directly from the previous owner with no bank involved.

I know many people that do not go into debt and thus don't give their money to the system in this manner.

I know there are conscientious investment companies that use my money in ways that I support.

We are in control and responsible for how our work energy/money is used or hoarded.

You choose. It really is not difficult. Just stay alive and pay attention.

zaadz is a wonderful community that can connect us with wonderful ways that we can consciously choose to spend or invest our work energy/money.

Money is NOT just energy!

So, if Money is energy, why is it you think, that you are wasting so much energy?
And why is it, that someone in ,For instance, Europe can live just as good or even better, while using less money?
Money is an indication of materialistic strength. Though yes, Matter is energy, it isn't in the way our minds express it. I disagree when you say Money is energy. Money is materialistic power. And that power is nothing without control. Even very little money can be put to much better use, then a lot of money could by an ignorant person.
No I don't think Money can be compared with energy. For the mutual reason, that energy doesn't devaluate. While money can, up to catastrophical magnitudes.

Besides comparing Money with Energy, makes me say you have a very wrong image of the things that power or control your life. Something which seems so bad, I do not even wish to coninue it in public.

Goodluck

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If money is not the physical form of your work/energy. What is it?

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As I said before; Monet is materialistic power. Not energy.
For instance with debt, you give a person money (power) and if they do not know how to use that power, they will suffer from the conscequences for years to come. Power is nothing without control! (Parkour principle) I mean, if it were energy, how come people who work very hard, for days on end, but only get paid very little? They then haven't earned an amount respectivelly to the amount of work they gave. As you might reply that that work did perhaps not require large intellect, is still say the same. It doesn't really matter how much energy you get out of it. Judging by for instance the amount of money you have to put into a good education, I think only in the end (after death, with an equal lifespan) you can somewhat approach money with energy, and it would still be unfairly distributed. When I'm done with my study I can make 350 euro's per hour, for little, very little work indeed, and It is not like I'm putting excessive energies into getting there either.

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A debt based system is the problem.The same debt based system without money was used to indenture and enslave.

By the time of Solon, money was destroying the inherited aristocracy.(Taken from this post)

Your statement you give a person money… don't you see? How does that money you give come about?

I agree that the system is weighted to keep those in power in power and we need to change that. In the USA 80% of the wealth is in the hands of 2% of the people.

I am actively working to change that distribution of money. I don't think much of our education system as an indicator of  work value myself. In a barter system I belonged to where I used to live we spent barter money with each other that was based on an hours work = an hours work.

Money is work energy. Where you spend your energy? Where do you spend the money that you exchanged that energy for?

Do you contribute to the horrible debt based elitist system that is, at this time, prevelent in our world?

Are you in debt? Do you carry Life Insurance? Where do you keep your money? Where do you spend your money?

When you pay someone do you pay them the same you earn for the same amount of time? (ie: I always give a tip to fast food workers, gasoline attendants, clerks and anyone that I ask services of that I know makes less per hour than I do.)

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No, I do not give extra money to people for working just as long, and I am not personally contributing to the change in debt systems, because the governement of my country isn't as capatalistic as yours. In Holland, very few people live beneath the poverty limit. And the governemnt warns about practices who are there only to indebt you. I'm not in debt.
Life insurence..? Don't make me laugh, everybody who is Dutch has life insurance. It is against the law not to have one. And those who are too poor to pay it for themselves, will get it for free from the state. I keep my money in several places, one, which doesn't devaluate, the other in a more directyl accesible form of currency. I spend my money on the things I need, and for my study. What I do not need, I do not buy. But many people with much less money then I, will do so. I'm not much of a consumerist. I use the money I safe, for not getting in debt at all… I do not purchase things I do not already have the money for…
Maybe we understand a different thing about 'energy'

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I too am not much of a “consumerist” (as I understand your meaning) and do not get myself in debt. If you do not go into debt you are contributing to a change…

Your 'life insurance' where does it come from and where does it go?

Where do you get your money? I assume it has to come from someones labor.The places you put your money…what do they use it for?

Follow the money. It is just an exchange but has no real power of it's own. Where it come from and where it goes (which we, each of us, do control) is where the real power is.

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My life insurance is paid 60 percent by myself, and due to the fact I'm a student, the other 40 percent by the state. Furthermore, since I earn too little money, I get 40 percent of my college money paid by the state, the rest I pay by myslef or I get from my parents.
My money mostly stays within the european union. And I do not exactly know where it goes. (who does?)
And no power? How many people do the crazyest things, just for the chance of having some money…

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I do. I know where the money I entrust to others goes (including insurance companies) . If there is not full disclosure that particular institution does not get my money.

Taxes I have less control over. Part of my money goes toward the tuition of individuals that can't afford it-a good thing and part to wars I don't support-a bad thing. So I make sure to stay informed and I  vote to keep for those individuals that I think make better decisions for all of us.

I choose what I do. I am not responsible, nor do I speak, for any 'other' people. I choose to take responsibility for my actions (including my money) no matter what anyone else chooses to do.

I do have the power to pay attention to my part of the whole. Enough ones added together make a trillion.

I choose to focus on a new way of doing things and not 'business as usual'.

Aloha & Nameste

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Maybe we should question, what we, as individuals have for an effect? Does our small budget contribute to the greater good? In halloand we have very little defence, so our taxes contribute only very little to war and so on. In america, the dutch yearly budget gets spent 4 times a year, entirely on war. Which is, in comparison to ours a lot. I will not question your will and eagerness to stop this way of spending money in america, i will on it's effectiveness. If you would look at it realisticly, (for I do not know this) What effect does you rway of life has on the bigger picture? I am not saying this to discourage you, but to show you what affect one man, can honestly achieve in a group, wheer so many do little to nothing at all.

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I totally agree with Dragon Dancer.  Also see the following post which was left at the blog named above by Susmita, posted by one Antares.  I also totally agree with his/her perspective.  Until I can collect my own thoughts on the matter, I offer this from Antares:

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I feel as Antares does and am torn recently between my 30 or so years of coaching/nudging/mentoring and walking this truly solitary path. (see my profile)

There really is no conflict between these two thoughts (this thread and the bigger picture) it is just a matter of perspective.

If you really want to change the world ~ change how you think.

Einstein (I think) gave a definition of insanity as Doing the same thing over an over and expecting a different result.

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Holly and others, did you read my last post about design fault of debt-based money system.
You really need to pause and understand the implications for an hour at least.

This is why I speak about changing the many layers of mis-perception around money in my article. Also See my last posts on active Compassion and other threads.

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I agree but that doesn't change my statements.

The problem is a debt based system. I think we need to seperate 'money' from the systems. We can use 'money' in a different way, The more we get hung up on focusing on money the harder it is to change the systems.

A Dictonery definition of Money - A medium of exchange that can be used to purchase goods and services based on a commodity (usually gold) that is used to measure value.

Chang the commodity. Change the systems. But Money is neither of these.

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Diane (Dragon dancer) we are in agreement over quite a few things yet I diverge in significant ways.

There are two things surface understanding and deeper understanding
(one touches the surface and another seeks to go deeper). In the very start of this thread I started with the evolutionary need of current times (see video) is to dig deeper and think from whole perspective of the planetary situation, not just how we individually choose to earn or spend or invest money consciously.

Money itself is a product of collective agreement and trust. For past few centuries we have been collectively so caught up in the pursuit of material comfort and success, as well as with the trauma of wars, famines, revolutions .. we really did not have the time or will or platform to openly discuss this issue of what money is or how to design it so it fulfills our whole pursuit of life, liberty and happiness and our creative need for self-actualization than survival. The current system is not even meeting the survival needs of billions in planet.

Quoting your  previous remarks and filling in (mine in bold)

If you really want to change the world ~ change how you think.

That is what we plan to do, to see how money is created, who controls the issue of money and how it is distributed/allocated. And change the very perception of money based on what we need and perhaps approaching bio-mimicry (modelling from nature)  and how energy functions in nature and within human family.

You wrote, ” Einstein (I think) gave a definition of insanity as Doing the same thing over an over and expecting a different result.”

Yes the myriad problems and gross inequalities we see in the world is insane and due to the insane way the current monetary system (a legacy of colonnial times) is functioning.

You wrote:
“Money is just a physical means to facilitate exchanging our energy. How you use it it up to you.we are in control and responsible for how our work energy/money is used or hoarded. You choose. It really is not difficult. Just stay alive and pay attention.”

The physical money came from the idea of Money which is abstract. And like all ideas takes shape in our mind and perception. As our consciousness expands and deepens, so also our very perception, definition and physical expression and design of money. When our perception shifts and reaches critical mass, the outer reality shifts without any need of armed struggle. When all of humanity dreams the same dream, reality shifts instantly.

Follow the money. It is just an exchange but has no real power of it's own. Where it come from and where it goes (which we, each of us, do control) is where the real power is.

If you follow the money it is accumulating in fewer hands and simultaneously going to funding of war-intelligence-military complexes, most notably here in USA. Money in few hands has become the very instrument of creating conditions ripe for corruption, war, racism, violence and  loss of real security and real freedom.

Distribution of World Income         (UN Human Development Report)

¶ Richest 20 percent of the World's Population:  85 %       (up from 75 % over the past 30 years)

¶ Poorest 20 percent of the World's Population:  1.4 %      (down from 2.3 % over the past 30 years)

Annual Cost of Alleviating Poverty  (UN Human Development Program)

For Food, Clean water, Clothes, Education, Health Care & Sanitation for 4.4 billion people:  $60 billion

For Food and Basic Health Care for 4.4 billion people:  $19.5 billion

What Americans and Europeans spend annually on pet food:  $25 billion  (for comparison)

Third World Debt:  $2000 billion  (up from $100 billion 30 years ago)                         (UN's World Development Report)

¶ Debt Payments Flowing from the Poor to the Rich Countries:  approx 1400 billion (from 1960 to 1993)

¶ Foreign Aid Flowing from the Rich to the Poor Countries:  approx 140 billion (from 1960 to 1993)

Percentage of Foreign Aid that Reaches the Poor in the Poor Countries:  approx 5 %

Foreign Aid Given by Canada as a Percentage of GDP:  .29 %  (.09 % for U.S.)

Source: Link

3 billion of world 's people live in poverty with income under $2 a day, I billion are children and about 1.3 billion of them are women.

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Susmita, I am back to the beginning with this discussion.  You are preaching to the choir - everyone in this discussion is in basic agreement with you that the current economic system is designed to enrich a relative few at the expense of the great mass of humanity.  The question is what are we willing to do about it.

As I have said before, the people who control the economic system are also engaged in the process of creating the hologram of collective consciousness.  They aren't going to stop just because we are on to their nefarious activity.  They have many converts - not everyone believes that the current system is a bad one (“we have the greatest economy in history”, they say - I've heard it many many times).

First, one must decide what is a proper course of behavior.  Do we act to improve conditions within the “hologram of collective consciousness”, or do we practice non-involvement?  If you choose action, is it immediate action, or is it geared to long-term change?  If you choose immediate action, are you truly prepared for what is required?

Let's move forward with this discussion.   Assuming the current moneymind requires transformation, what do we do, how do we do it, and whose help do we need?  Oh yeah, and how will we pay for it?

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Well spoken RICK, I’m not into this money thing but what I am into I feel the same as you do, just talking about a problem just makes it bigger.
Your Friend, Don

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Hello,

This is working for me and many others; I suggest you watch The Secret and live The Secret and you will find that you too can live in not only abundance of financial wealth but also spiritual wealth. The world is changing and more and more people are becoming aware of the Secret.

G

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yes for me too, the issue is not the money but rather how to put it in proportion on daily or overall basis

and what is the basis ?  is there where we drop our collective greed !

if we are not greedy, then we will not work as much, perhaps not work at all; this is possible i do it all my life, never worked - no no

and there is nobody paying for that either - he heee

i am just not afraid to be completely poor which i am anyway

and i tell you two things, besides loosing weight, i regained my complete sense
of security that the earth whether we cultivate it a lot or effortlessly produces all the
food and nourishment that we could ever dream of

and also, the many times i had no money at all and hardly to eat were the
richest in spirit

so i don't need the rich guys to be poor so that i will get even - the thing that i feel most necessary is to take the earth out of their hands before it is too contaminated and out of balance

this all system that we play part in, whether we are millioners or poor guys who are ready to overthrow the administration -

he he this is so ridiculous -

it only makes me laugh (aloud in my heart )

come on, lets follow the spiral of evolution to and fro the source until we are free of this paradigm

i suggest you read the Handbook for the New Paradigm  Grown by Argus

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Yes

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Agreed.

Let's end this thread has gotten too long. Move on to other thread and see how do we
restore balance in the massive imbalance created by our unconscious participation in a faulty monetary system..

Please take this discussion to next Thread on how do we address the reality now.

I am not sure whether everyone fully understands what Usury is? If not we can begin the next thread with that. This word has been taken of from text-books.

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I am posting just to make this thread the most enaged so far on top.

Here are the questions for us to contemplate on and help us co-create
a New holistic humanistic transpersonal and human centered economy ….

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While I can see your reason for posing these questions/idea I suppose for me they hold no importance.  Mainly because money has mostly in recent years been a non-issue for me.  Not saying I've always had enough money to live on and yes I used to focus on money all of the time…as in focusing on my lack of money for even the basics in life.   have been so poor I've been homeless and without any means of financial support whatsoever.  I have literally been on the streets and have managed to get myself back together and to a place where I do not think about money.  Well I do think about money sometimes but it is only to remind myself of the affirmation I created almost two years ago that I have MORE money than I need today, tomorrow and always. 

Personally to me money is more often than not in our society found to be far too important and has far too much power.  Here is the thing for me…we all exist in an infinitely abundant Universe and money simply is just a part of that abundance.  I have found through my own personal experience that understanding, and most importantly 'believing', that I am completely deserving of all of the abundance the Universe has to offer is when I seem to have the most money.  It's not just about money though…again money is simply a 'part' of the abundance that we all deserve and I truly believe that when the world realizes how truly un-important money itself is in the grand scheme of things is when everyone will have more than they need today, tomorrow and always.

This morning on the news they just reported that the U.S. Government announced a proposed budget of several trillion dollars.  If you never believed in the infinite abundance of the Universe this should get you started.  The budget to run this country is now in the trillions of dollars.  I can remember when just a few millions blew people's minds.  This is a very clear indication to me and rock solid evidence that our Universe, this planet specifically, has an infinite amount of abundance and has more than enough to go around.  I feel comfortable in saying this because even though the government continuously announces budgets that blow our minds I have no less money than I had before and in fact I seem to have more and more and more people out there seem to be doing well financially.  That alone should get people thinking that there is more than enough money to go around and that greed to get our share and paranoia that someone else is going to get our share is a totally ridiculous way to think or be.

Blessings,
Cheryl

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Cheryl I congratulate you for getting out of your poor financial situation by affirmation and other positive beliefs about money. Here I am talking about our collective reality, thinking beyond me and my situation to community, region, nation and global inequality and injustice…the systemic roots of why we are in this situation. I am guessing you are asking why I am raising these questions?

Do you think it is OK, here in our United states… supposedly most prosperous country in the world the top 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84% , leaving only 16% of the asset or net worth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers)? or top 1% owning 40% of financial wealth leaving only 9% for bottom 80%? Yet we are spending hundreds of billions in Iraq war and trillions over the years to military-intelligence complex.  From 1990 to 2005, CEOs' pay increased almost 300% (adjusted for inflation), while production workers gained a scant 4.3%. [Source: Who rules america]

One must wonder why a man made economic system has to be so grossly unfair…why wealth has concentrated in few hands and why so much of it is directed to war initiative than building a culture of peace?

Over 15 million children die of hunger every year, half a billion live in absolute poverty and over a billion live with less than a $1 a day….some say these are just statistics….others cannot stay quiet and disconnected from the world's pain and suffering….may be we need to fully connect with our pain…before we can feel for others.

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In a free Universe such as we live in each one of us is free to focus on what we choose to focus on.  We can focus on the problems of our planet or we can focus on the solutions our planet has already come up with and continues daily to come up with.  Depending on one's chosen perspective the world is going to hell in a handbasket unless someone does something right now or the world is on it's way to a beautiful recovery with more people living in abundance than in lack and is in better shape today on a global scale than it was five or ten or fifteen years ago.  Depending on one's chosen perspective one can find irrefutable evidence to support either view.

The Law of Attraction dictates that like attracts like.  Regardless of whether or not one believes in the Law of Attraction makes no difference because we are all existing by it even if we don't believe we are.  We can't see, touch or smell oxygen and it would be very logical for anyone to say that it just simply does not exist…however regardless of whether or not we believe oxygen exists we breathe it in and out thus giving us life.  Same thing goes for the Law of Attraction only it is our psychological life instead of physical life it is giving us. 

Personally I would much rather focus on the things on our planet that are working so that like can attract like and more and more and more things will begin to work…more people will attract abundance to themselves…more people will focus on the blessings we all have in our lives which will attract even more blessings into our lives.  I personally do not see the value of focusing on all that is wrong in the world because I do not like to attract like in that respect.  No my head isn't buried in the sand…I am fully aware that there is inequality, suffering, poverty and other negative things that exist on our planet.  However it is my fervent belief that as long as I focus only on what is 'wrong' that is all I will be able to see in the world and I already know that things are changing…things are improving and I prefer to support that forward movement on our planet with my energy rather than support the stagnation of poverty and suffering on our planet with my energy.  What I support with my energy, with my beliefs, is reflected in the choices that I make as a human being every single day.  Thoughts become things…choose the good ones.

Not making a judgment here at all.  As I said it is a free Universe and we are all free to think, feel, say, do and imagine what we choose to.

In closing I would only like to say that the information being fed to us by the news media as well as well meaning organizations created to stop certain things is one-sided and specifically designed to cause us to be anxious about the state of our planet, to be fearful of others who don't subscribe to our ways and to expect the worst of everyone at all times.  It comes from a place of lack and as long as coming from that place continues there is going to be lack.  I have found again and again and again in my personal experience that where I focus my attention becomes the global reality for me and to be totally honest because I focus my attention on what is right with the world I am continually being presented with rock hard irrefutable evidence that we are on the right track…things are being done in a positive direction and that the paradigm shift has begun on a global scale.  Where attention goes energy flows!

Blessings,
Cheryl

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I agree cheyrle even by putting out the statement man made money is not energy just speaks volumes about resistance to money. The idea that the whole world must change so that I can prosper is pure resistance. The truth is everything is here for us already it is a matter of us lining up with it. If you focus on the debt portion of money lending you are not seeing what loans build. Man made money is absolutely a functioning energy, evertime you give it to the cashier it does exactly what it was made for, that by definition is functioning the only way it does'nt function is in our experience and we can shift that at any moment.

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Thank you for sharing, Cheryl & Golden.

Susmita have requested that I lock this thread as she has since started her own Conscious Capitalism Pod.

I'm now thinking of what to do with this board/sub-pod.
- Delete it?
- Keep it as it is but lock all threads Susmita started?
- Rename it?
- Expand it to include discussions on both (money) fortune & fame. Since both are distractions that we must work on… (this is well… my limited view on the topic…)
- Find another moderator for this sub-pod?

What Else is Possible?

Please let me know if you have any ideas or interest in sharing your insights on money, capitalism etc.

I don't have much to share on these topics at the moment.

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Reading the posts in this thread has been a fascinating experience. The range/levels/depth of awareness is quite a challenge when one is looking to discover/establish consensus.

I think it is well worth preserving the discussion for future reference.

I would hate to appear controversial, but had the feeling of quite a tinge of “I'm all right Jack”-isms in some posts.  Paraphrased, “I am doing so and so, and the problem of money is no problem as a result; there is no need to confront contrary powers in the world.”

I would have liked to know before the thread closed how this is possible

“if we are not greedy, then we will not work as much, perhaps not work at all; this is possible i do it all my life, never worked - no no… and there is nobody paying for that either - he heee”