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  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

DON'T GET REAL!!

Whitewave said Oct 22, 2006, 1:22 PM:

 

Whatever you do, please resist the urge to comprehend that:
 
1.  we're all part of one thing
2.  our little wars and crusades are contractions from the whole which is no thing
3.  our separatist opinions are partial and therefore totally ineffectual at solving actual problems
4.  our indignation over “Wrongs” is a huge source of the problem
5.  our indignation over “Right” is a huge source of the problem
6.  the medium by which we deliver our messages (our tone and language and spin) totally trumps any power that our message might have and so we end up doing more damage with a bad medium than good we would do with a good message

MAKE SURE YOU FORGET ALL THIS!  IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT!!  Because if you remember, then the Great game of Hide and Seek will be over and the Universe will dissolve into entirely too much Bliss and we'll have to start the hiding all over again. 

Okay?

Okay!

Thankyouverymuchforyourtime.

~Ww

 

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

yosyama [no longer around] said Oct 23, 2006, 10:17 AM:

 

welcome, but how could one resist an urge that does not exist ?

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Whitewave said Oct 23, 2006, 10:53 AM:

 

The evolutionary impulse to be conscious of itself belongs to the I AM.  Not us.  But the I AM is playing hide and seek with itself, so it's trying not to know that until the end.  This tends to confuse people because the I AM is using us to play the game.  The I AM has related to me that the I AM wants to keep playing for a while longer because some parts are still in deep cover and there's alot more good play left. 

But us folks who are stumbling and bumping into each other on the very threshold of The Great Revealing are starting to get cocky and think we speak for the I AM and get to make the decision to end the game.  The I AM has set me straight on this and wants me to tell everyone else to stop being so silly.  The I AM will reintegrate back into Full Consciousness when the I AM is good and ready AND NOT A MOMENT SOONER! 
 
“He must not wake up.  Do not let him wake up!”
~Agent in ”World Record” from ”The Animatrix

~Ww

  Martin Gifford : Grandiose, Unrealistic, Arrogant, and Ejected

How could you know?

Martin Gifford said Oct 24, 2006, 2:15 AM:

 

I like your 6 points in the first post. I thought I was the only one who thought like that. D'oh!

Mmmbut, Whitewave, how could you know anything about the I AM, presuming She/He/It is God or related to God? Isn't God too BIG? You know, The Genius Creator of All that Is and Isn't? Ain't you just a human? Just a 1 in 6 or 7 Billion?

'n' stuff like that.

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: How could you know?

Whitewave said Oct 24, 2006, 10:11 PM:

 

MWUA-HA-HAAAA!

Since I have awakened to my own constant subjective experience of the I AM I am totally qualified to project my own issu….   ooops, I mean, reveal such mysteries!! 

Just a human!  Bah-humbug!

~Ww

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Nicole said Oct 24, 2006, 2:39 AM:

 

Dear Ww,

I was on the phone Sunday with a friend when my 9 year old burst into tears because she had been in a fight with her friends at McDonalds and rushed out of the place. I started to get off the phone and tidy up the remains of lunch, explaining what had happened. My friend, not normally known for theism but quite insightful at times said with a grin that God must often look at us as we look at our children in their tantrums.

With the caveat of anthropomorphism, and applying it first to the nth degree in terms of how different God is from us vs how like children adults are, I agree.  I  look at the times I totally lose it - what does it really matter? I look at the conflicts within countries, families quarrels like Quebec separatism or more seriously, the IRA, or conflicts between countries and tribes like in the Middle East and many African countries. We are lost in our differences and we do not know we are all one. Or we know and we forget, every day we forget… We run from Paradise and close our eyes and ears to truth. The gates to hell have locks on the inside.

Namaste,

Nicole

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Whitewave said Oct 24, 2006, 10:22 PM:

 

Anthropomorphisms ROCK!  So many people do it blindly, I figure, HEY!  Why not throw a little intention into it and see what happens?! 

But you're right.  The projection may be a mistake, but the adventures in missing the point are real enough to blow up the fuckin' planet.  Silly.  Stupid, even.  But quite lethal.  Intentional awakening about it isn't changing anything.  Maybe intentional blindness will create some movement!  Worth a try.  The only thing I have to lose is my idea of myself…..

MWUA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAA!

~Ww

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Nicole said Oct 25, 2006, 3:05 AM:

 

My, Ww, you were in quite the mood! :) It's good to cut loose and have some fun, eh? We get too serious at times…

Namaste,

Nicole

  Galynne : Take What You Need

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Galynne said Oct 24, 2006, 1:08 PM:

 

I happen to think you are pretty amazing, Ww!!   Now, should I forget that too???  [smiling big]

I'm TOTALLY going through a change right now –  and starting to realize how ludacris it is for us to judge people for judging others.  I'm totally speaking in general terms – not pointing fingers. 

I'm printing out your “don't get real” post.  There's a lot of truths that lie in those six bullet points.  Need a few days to ponder.  Damn – I think BLISS is a good place to be [smiling again…]

Galynne

  Whitewave : Into the Shadow...

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Whitewave said Oct 24, 2006, 10:29 PM:

 

Galynne,

Shadow hug me!  I am you.  It takes one to know one.  You rock! 

Unless, of course, I am just a bad spiritual person or manipulative bitch…   in which case, you should not put your affection on public display.  There are spies about…  and Trolls…  they will eat you…

—oOo—

I've been fighting a flame war all day in another part of the cyber-galaxy.  Misogynistas vs. me.  I'm pretty battle weary.  But I see what's under the armour and blood and rage and gore… 

[poof]

Nothing.  Just us Shadow Boxers trying to sleep through the alarm.

~Ww

  Galynne : Take What You Need

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

Galynne said Oct 24, 2006, 1:09 PM:

 

duplicate of above….  no need for repeating myself and being redundant …. 

[hahhaah– i crack myself up].

  Martin Gifford : Grandiose, Unrealistic, Arrogant, and Ejected

Transcend the Ministry of Mysteries Unveilled!

Martin Gifford said Oct 24, 2006, 10:41 PM:

 

Ww wrote: “I am totally qualified to project my own issu….   ooops, I mean, reveal such mysteries!! ”

LOL! Precisely. You're qualified to be a guru to the gurus. Masteress (or Mistress?) of the Masteresses and Masters. Tell them they all need to transcend their mystery!

 

Re: DON'T GET REAL!!

rashthawani said Dec 9, 2006, 4:41 AM:

 

yea whitish wave
this was pretty cool jazz and fun

i think humor is more about zaadz than is scholaticism

anyhow i am intentionally transgressing all six points

i know you are god itself but figure that who i am trumps that nonsense

i would say were not all part of one thing
we are one thing
not parts

this one thing has no parts
is not fragmented
contains no divisions
is whole
has integrity

now i think i can safely say this on my own authority
and if i am wrong may i smite me down

i forget what the other points were
and i know thats what you told me to do
but im not doing it because you told me to
but simply because my memory is bad

but this one point about thinking that were all part of one thing
i am definitely going to remember
and will not forget it
even tho you said to forget it completely

and im not remembering it just because you told me not to
but because i wish to show that i can make my own choices
and do stuff anyway even when someone else tells me not to

and i think ill put an end to all this hide and seek jazz too
just because i damn well feel like it

they say that life is but a dream
but try telling that to my wife

im going to be real
that is the real deal for the rest of our life
and id like to see her try and stop me

ok then
ive gotta go do the supper dishes

i think shes gonna let me come back on later tonite

until then dont worry
ive got every little thing under control including the humans

goodbye