Space-time Limitation of the Static Enlightenment

Chandra said Yesterday, 11:17 PM:

SPACE-TIME LIMITATION OF THE STATIC ENLIGHTENMENT

There is a basic difference between the static philosophy and moving philosophy, static God and moving God, static science and moving science, static tradition and moving tradition. Basavanna says, “There is destruction for what stands but not for that, which moves”.

Whenever nature gives birth to new wonders in the world, be it in science, religion, tradition or something else it represents a moving character. Nevertheless, this moving character will not stay for a long time because of our own static way of thinking. Whenever the new research emerged in the history of humanity, it has maintained moving character in the beginning, but slowly it has lost the beauty of the moving character because of the orthodox interaction of our own finite mind. But the transformation of moving character to static character occurs only in human mind, not in nature.

In the western world, now there is a spiritual madness to dig all the static philosophies of the ancient history. Some are talking on Tantra, some are talking on Yoga, some are talking on Vastu, some are talking on mediation, some are talking on UFO's and so on. In fact, they are searching for the static shelter to compensate or to define their own stagnant way of life. Nevertheless, our ancient Sages, Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, Rama, Prophet and other prominent spiritual personalities emerged with moving philosophy; not a static one, but who made it static? Ask yourself! Which philosophy, science, religion, God and tradition you are representing? Is it static or moving one?

Vivekananda says, “Faith not a belief; it is the grasp of the ultimate as illumination”.

Re: Space-time Limitation of the Static Enlightenment Stu said Today, 12:38 AM: Is “static” such a bad thing? Sometimes we need a pillar to lean on.  We need a strong unmoving foundation to build upon.  Very often the weak nature of the relative makes one yearn for the well focused centering of the eternal and unmoving. Its a dualism.  With each polarity presenting itself when it is needed. I am no fan of blind dogma.  And it is true that many philosophies and religions degenerate into rote practice.  It may very well be that the thinking that devolves into blind dogma may not have been fully fleshed out from the beginning.  For example the mess of the New Testament with its bizarre mixture of monotheistic anthropomorphism (God as father) and pagan Dionysian myths (a diety dies for the sins of man).  Where else could such a philosophical jumble lead than the dogma of the Pope, the Reverend Sun Yung Moon, or the lock step of the fundementalist thought police? I suggest that when one follows this path it is important to be flexible and at the same time have a core value that is steady as a rock.  A very important part of this dualistic struggle is keeping an eye on that solid core using perspective to test the validity of it authenticity.  Lets not risk taking somebody else's word for it.  The quest starts at home. The integration of the static and moving is the cornerstone of the integral phiosophy. s.

Re: Space-time Limitation of the Static Enlightenment Chandra said Today, 2:17 AM: In the history of humanity, all spiritual people represented compassion. Compassion does not have a self-centre, so it towers above all forms of finite vibrations of the self. When there is no compassion, frustration seeps in. Happiness persists only where there is compassion. In most of our relationships there is an absence of compassion: our thanksgiving, our prayers, our amusement, our social concern, our love, our reading, our friendliness, our kindnessa; Everywhere there is an absence of compassion. So, our life has become abstract, stereotype just like a robot. Heart is absent. Only the brain is talking. We are passing this on to our children as well. America celebrates thanksgiving every year, but compassion is absent. We are only exhibiting relationships and trying to compensate our inner frustration. Through amusement, festivals and functions we are escaping from the inner reality. We are confused. The confidence that we demonstrate is no confidence at all. It is just the negation of fear. We are compensating the fear and frustration with all forms pretensions. Now, there is a need to do soul searching about the very word compassion, so that at least coming generations can enjoy the true beauty and the infinite happiness of life. There are four basic kinds of energy flow in human mind. I am right, but the world is (or you are) wrong I am wrong, but the world is (or you are) right I am right and the world is (or you are) also right I am wrong and the world is (or you are) also wrong But there are people whose mind does not belong to all these energy levels. They will be out of the entire flawed zones of life. Their communication with nature is absolute. They never look back, but move ahead with the spirit of Truth. Whenever you meet such person in life journey, do not underestimate their energy level. Such people have a definite cause in their life; so they can literally communicate with nature and nature never go against them. They are always feeling that they are neither wrong nor right. If you ask them they will tell that ” I am not I am”. Their immune system is integrated with nature. This integration is more powerful than mother and child's relationship. Before every action nature will communicate with them and ask their permission for her action. This electromagnetic circuit system exists everywhere from every sub-atomic particle to the entire universe. I am always telling one thing to everybody, that is, “I am not loving anybody, but I love everybody”. Can you please sort the secret behind the declaration? My dear friend, when we realize that nothing can be perfect in this world, we will be completely united with nature. During the Tsunami attack in South East Asia on December 26, 2004, the wild animals had already moved to safer zones of habitat. They instinctively sensed danger. The reason is simple. We, unlike the animals, have disconnected ourselves from nature and travelled far in to the world of materialistic pleasure. We have long lost the power to decode the sensitive vibrations of nature. Whenever vibrations reach us we are busy adding our selfish meaning to it, but the animals have remained far more receptive to the natural science of creation. The animals do not question nature or impose selfish thinking to such an event, they merely accept it, and survive. This chapter says that when we cradle ourselves in the bosom of nature, it takes care of us. Learning is not a process of abandoning nature. Somewhere in the process of building our own egocentric world, we have fatally forgotten the world we come from. Nature neither forgets nor forgives. It just balances its own creation.

Re: Space-time Limitation of the Static Enlightenment Mark said Today, 2:13 PM: To me the moving philosophy is to be moving with the evolution of Nature, to be awake to that flow. I can intuit an energy To bring this into different terminology; I can relate this to something I used to think about when I was actively engaged in business. One of the buzz phrases was “out of the box” thinking. So to get out of the box was to get out of the static beliefs. What I saw happening was that everyone was seeking another box, another static place to rest their beliefs. So then there is another box to get out of and on and on and on if you are aware and care you are in boxed at all. I said disolve the boxes. They don’t exist. They are illusions to hold onto beliefs that are not fluid. I see religion similar to these boxes. It works for awhile… but if you are growing at some point you will say is this all there is? …and enlightenment is not a box to find. Nature is the deepest teacher of this flow that I am aware of. Motion is nature. Change is nature. So where is the “grounding” in this motion? My feeling is that it is within You and the harmony with nature. It is the alignment with motion, with time. The You is the moving character, beyond the finite mind. A moving flow of energy that is one with All the moving energy.

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Chandra said: “Happiness persists only where there is compassion. In most of our relationships there is an absence of compassion: our thanksgiving, our prayers, our amusement, our social concern, our love, our reading, our friendliness, our kindnessa; Everywhere there is an absence of compassion. So, our life has become abstract, stereotype just like a robot. Heart is absent. Only the brain is talking. We are passing this on to our children as well. ”

I agree, we are missing compassion in our relationships, and in our lives in general. Can compassion be taught? We could solve so many issues that we see happening in the world today (where relgion has failed) if people did show some more compassion.

Nicky.

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Chandra says

Whenever the new research emerged in the history of humanity, it has maintained moving character in the beginning, but slowly it has lost the beauty of the moving character because of the orthodox interaction of our own finite mind. But the transformation of moving character to static character occurs only in human mind, not in nature.

All things in nature pass into decay and into stasis after their generative phrase and the same seems apparently so for new research in the history of humanity.  This research always stands on the shoulders of what came before it and/or is added to and/or falls away when new heights and movement are reached.  This research has a life cycle as all forms do whether they are thought forms or forms of matter.  Nature is of the static as it is also the movement and so is the human mind.  The moving philosophies of the ancient sages arose from the static and are undergoing their life cycles.  I cannot say at what point in their cycles they are but based on Nature they are in them and they have not as yet disappeared.

Stu says

Is “static” such a bad thing?

Sometimes we need a pillar to lean on.  We need a strong unmoving foundation to build upon.  Very often the weak nature of the relative makes one yearn for the well focused centering of the eternal and unmoving.

Its a dualism.  With each polarity presenting itself when it is needed.

I agree Stu with some additions.

Isn't the static and moving irrevocably intertwined elements of the same ONE thing?  Doesn't the moving emerge from the static and return to it again for further re-emergence?  Isn't that what nature is - a constant interaction from static to movement and back static again?  Nature in every form known thus far seems to display this generative phase, which moves to decay and eventually reaching stasis from which, another generative phase begins.  The life cycles of stars, plants, and human beings demonstrate this.  And isn't it only a seeming dualism?  The lever of movement springs forth from the power of the static fulcrum.  Dualistic from one angle (riding the lever perhaps) but holistic if you look at the entire seesaw.

The yin/yang symbol seems another good example of this.  While in the light phase keep and an awareness on the dark seed and while in the dark phase keep and eye toward the light seed as you will undoubtedly pass through both in constant movement all the while contained in the static context of the circle. 

The breath, vastly indicative of nature, is yet another powerful example.  The inhale (yang side) starts from an almost imperceptible stillness and ends there as the exhale (yin side) begins the second half of the cycle which ends in stillness and births the next inhale and cycle.  Stillness and movement are not separate whether in the mind, body, spirit or Nature.

Being lost in or associated with only one and not the other is the seeming trouble isn't it?  Being lost in movement (the constantly changing universe or mind - any movement) with no regard to what gives rise to movement is the apparent dire condition that faces us.  Being lost in Stillness - Enlightenment (a condition of very few individuals) with no regard or return to movement is not holistic or encompassing all that is.

Like the breath, it seems to me, we need to constantly oscillate between stillness and movement to get the context of both all that is and what is seemly evolving in cycles.  The emphasis (oscillation) seems more toward movement but that's only because the power and balancing force of the static is vastly unrecognized.  A brief encounter with it is enough to provide for another cycle of movement, as only a few hours of dreamless sleep gives ample rest for the efforts of another day. 

It seems to me that a constant awareness of both the static and movement is really what holistic, integral, evolutionary impetus, and theory of everything approaches are trying to earnestly resolve.  This oscillating awareness when properly balanced brings about such states as Compassion.

Chandra says

In the history of humanity, all spiritual people represented compassion. Compassion does not have a self-centre, so it towers above all forms of finite vibrations of the self…he also continues…Everywhere there is an absence of compassion.

Compassion arises of it's own accord doesn't it?  There is an absence of it because there is an absence of the awareness of the Static from which Compassion's expression (or movement) arises.  We tend to have an unbalanced awareness based only in movement, the changing manifest universe, and at best an unconscious awareness of the static - this would look like a jagged sine wave if we could monitor it.  We need the balance and symmetry of a sine wave that oscillates between Stillness and Movement at the proper amplitude and speed.  Meditation, Yoga, prayer, and the endless other modalities attempt this as taught by the Wisdom Traditions.  These appear to me to be movement seeking the static and not static seeking static as Chandra is saying above, and I intuit that we have to simply recognize Stillness and Movement in that order or at least Movement from Stillness as these Traditions and modalities move through their cycles. 

In the brief recognition of Stillness, motion is corrected and aligned and plays out it's cycle following with an apparent decay toward stasis from which movement arises once more and so on endlessly - one with the other.  The key is awareness of the Stillness and Movement - being lost in neither, keeping an eye toward the dark seed while in the light and an eye toward the light seed while in the dark.

These two phrases are helping me evolve into this framework.  They just came to me one day…

I'm just sharing and exchanging with you.  Nothing more.  Namaste.

Dare to look

through your Eyes

as GOD gazing

upon GOD.

(The recognition from which proper motion arises.)

(You can substitute you own word in place of GOD.)

And

BE STILL
KNOW that I AM
Only I AM

KNOW NOW
ALL THERE IS.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER

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Scientific root of universal space-time and Human orthodoxy

The space-time is in a continual state of motion and cannot remain in the state of rest. From the beginning of the human civilization, it is the space-time that has designed all forms of negative as well as positive developments of the society. Individual space-time always gives birth to new forms of motion based on the interacting and counteracting energy movements of the universal space-time. With the realization of the inner links and depths of this flow, all relativistic streams of the past, present and future will be revealed. To understand the basics of this never-ending motion, one should know the underlying driving forces of nature, working from the minute sub atomic level to vast cosmos and how the same forces operate in the subtler realms of the ‘Mind'.

Many current scientific breakthroughs are based on the premise that there is a readymade, fixed or pre-ordained method in nature, mind and science. However, when we see that all is in continual motion rather than in a fixed space-time, new scientific and humanistic breakthroughs are made possible. Universe is in never ending motion and moment-to-moment the space-time changes its form. All changes of form result, not from a fixed space-time universe, but from never-ending moment-to-moment space-time continuity that is the universe. So, adhering to fixed space-time will block our intelligence and throw all of us into the orthodox zone with fixed premises resulting in false conclusions about nature and ourselves. When a mind sees the flow of nature, as never-ending moment-to-moment space-time continuity, then the entire human race will be liberated to explore free from orthodox thinking to discover itself. 

There is no readymade method or fixed space-time behaviour pattern in nature, human mind or science. Everything is eternally moving. In this process, only one who scientifically realizes the conclusion-free flow of nature will realize the true beauty of the conclusion-free behaviour pattern of the mind. A true excellence flowers only when the mind is free from patterns and behaviours based on fixed space-time. 

Nucleus of the Absolute  scientifically explores the natural science of the cosmic creation and illuminates that in the entire universe everything moves based on the law of equilibrium, be it human mind, atom, sub atomic particle or nature. There is no difference. Difference exists only in our mind, not in nature. 
 

Is there any spiritual connectivity between enlightenment and space-time? ]

Yes. It is universal space-time and its inherent law of equilibrium that reflects in human mind when there is an inner energy crunch and emerges in the form of enlightenment in relation with the particular space-time.

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Hi, it was not possible to reply to the original post, as the thread had been moved and copied, so I'll do it here.

It's a great distinction: moving vs. static.

The terminology I use to describe this phenomena is Position vs. Stand, where a position is static and a stand is dynamic.

We often seek psychological comfort and “safety” for our identity through forming a position–a set of beliefs and right/wrong judgments from which to head out into the world–safe from other's value judgments.  Then we spend so much of our thinking, actions and words on defending that position (whether we realize it or not), and we're cut off from the wisdom and value that the ideas or belief system we latched onto could have offered us. 

To operate psychologically (and spiritually depending on how you define the term) from a stand, is to be naked before the world, without a position to hide behind.  Your identity is at risk always, as you simply align yourself and your actions with the essence of the ideas/teachings/values you're learning/espousing.

Coming psychologically from a stand, can result in nothing less than conscious evolution.

I'd dare say that from a position of “enlightenment,” there is no light, as you are hiding in the shadows safe from honest introspection and consciousness.  It is not hardly enough to know or believe or argue for “the right thing.”  If you're not living it from a stand, you're not being the change in a way that's going to affect real change inside yourself or out there in the world.

From a position, there is nothing to defend or attack, and you're free to shift and evolve constantly.

Michael

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correction: my last sentence should have been, “From a stand, there is nothing to defend or attack.”

;)