Exploring the Boundry: Science and Spirituality

We have depended on this outlook to bring us nearly all of our technological and medical advances. Materially, it has brought us nearly everything we rely on in our modern existence. Spiritually, however, it only allows us to imagine some lifeless material-generating machines.

Life beyond the mechanistic worldview

Satinover believes that this has contributed to a common human longing to understand the nature of reality differently. Moreover, this longing, mixed with the tenets of science, can demonstrate to us that there is something to life beyond the mechanistic worldview.

Here, Satinover disagrees with the movie's claim that quantum theory is the border-crossing science that unites scientific and spiritual perspectives.

In his viewpoint, quantum theory shows that there is something working beyond mere mechanism, outside the physical world. Furthermore, it is inherent in quantum physics that this “something else,” as Satinover emphasized, “cannot be described at all,” and it also cannot present us scientifically analyzable characteristics.

This is why Satinover calls quantum physics “a boundary science.”  It brings us to a boundary where, on the one hand, the material world reveals that there is something beyond it that is not just some dead machine; and on the other hand, quantum theory says that you cannot use scientific methods to decipher what that “something else” is.

The boundary of our own perception

Satinover's talk embodied a man's quest for freedom. Where we humans have freed ourselves from so many boundaries throughout our history, we now seek to free ourselves from a boundary that is inside us - the boundary of our own perception.

At the end of Satinover's talk, this is all we were left with - our perception. Although quantum theory indicates that there is something beyond the physical world, it objects to a scientific investigation into that “something.” Satinover concluded that quantum theory leaves it entirely up to us to make that judgment about what that “something” is.

Therefore, with regard to spiritual conclusions, quantum theory (as Satinover presented it) fails, since it lacks analytical approach to this “something.” Quantum theory ends in one's perception, which, as Dr. Laitman went on to clarify, is the place where a Kabbalah student begins.

Dr. Laitman talks about Kabbalah

Dr. Laitman centered his talk on human perception. Put aside our theories, discoveries and technologies, and you are left with a person, an individual, who perceives reality through five senses.

One can only perceive as far as the senses allow. Although we have expanded the range of our senses with instruments such as microscopes and telescopes, we still feel that something is hidden from us. Whether it is science that brings us to this conclusion, as Satinover discussed, or whether it is just one's own life; we (for the most part) feel that there is something more that is hidden, and whatever it is, its appeal is growing in our time.

Laitman cited the renowned Kabbalistic text The Zohar as stating that, from the end of the twentieth century onward, the desire to know the forces imperceptible to our five senses will evolve and “the world will begin to feel that the knowledge in the wisdom of Kabbalah is necessary for its very existence.”

How does the wisdom of Kabbalah compare to other teachings?

The main difference, Laitman stated, is that while all of our teachings evolve naturally, through our five senses, Kabbalah nurtures a sixth sense. The desire to know what is hidden from the five senses is like the nucleus of the sixth sense, what Laitman defines as “a point in the heart.” The wisdom of Kabbalah develops this desire into a sense that can perceive an additional reality that our five senses cannot.

Laitman made the point that this is why Kabbalah is called “the wisdom of the hidden”: it discloses the part of reality that is hidden from our five senses. In such a state, one engages in a new reality, experiencing existence outside one's own body, beyond the range of our five senses, and ascends in levels of perception that Laitman called “spiritual worlds.”

One who attains the sixth sense, according to Laitman, perceives and researches different worlds - upper, spiritual worlds which complement one another. They become a reality for that person.  One is said to lose sensation of time, space, and motion as he or she feels an endless stream of life, independent of the five senses. Since a Kabbalist acquires a different sensation outside the five senses, he or she lives with a different approach to life and to reality.

This view of spirituality that Laitman discussed blended two age-old disparate approaches to reality: the scientific, which relies on research to bring observable, veritable results; and the religious, which relies on the revelation of one or many individuals, and following interpretations of those revelations. The Kabbalistic method of attaining a sixth sense promises revelation through research where the subject of research is one's own perception.

Satinover's and Laitman's discussions came into contact on the point of everything boiling down to our perception. They also agreed on a spiritual reality existing beyond a certain boundary. Whilst Satinover described quantum theory's inability to analyze beyond this boundary, Laitman first described the boundary - the five senses - then introduced Kabbalah as the area of research which delves into this hidden arena. Quantum theory expresses something of a limit of enquiry in the five senses, while Kabbalah doesn't deal with the five senses at all, offering instead a method to develop the sixth sense.

So at the end of the discussions, Satinover and Laitman left us with two choices regarding spirituality: either make up your own mind about what it is, or develop another sense and research it.

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Re: Exploring the Boundry: Science and Spirituality

Pursuant to the Kabbalah, I've been invited to express my thoughts here: that is, my totally out of the mainstream ideas. My best wishes to the departed, always, but my time is devoted to the living. God said, “Let us make man in our image” (Gen.1:26), and God gave us dominion over all other life. Plants have shown us that they are conscious, and do better when we bless them. However, we humans are conscious of vastly more than plants, in fact, are unlimited in our awareness. We set our limits.

One of our recently departed, a Zaadster, I'm informed, Chad Christopher Cobb, wrote I Am You: Mystical Experience and Epiphanies. Epiphanies, the appearance or manifestations of a deity to me, to you. Our departed Zaadz friend saw in his diety love for all, and he was you. Unfortunately, he was confused. Folk lore has much to do with the world's reality; that is, the unsubstantiated but largely accepted truth. My goal is to see my friends at Zaadz looking within for the truth.

Presidential candidate, Senator Obama recently said, “I just see people of one world and the potential for peace in every single person I meet.” What does Senator Obama propose we do to stop Iran, who denies the Holocaust ever existed, who over and over calls for the obliteration of Israel, who is killing Americans in Iraq? Senator Obama refers to war as “dumb.” Ever since 6^th century, Mohammad, Islam's prophet, Islam been going to war on the commands of Allah. What can we say to Muslims who believe they are commanded by Allah to obliterate Jews and Christians, to force the world to worship the one true god, Allah?

Most believe the world I envision is anarchy. I'm someone who wants to end all institutions, governments, religions, and start from scratch. I departed my old life and never looked back. When everything could have gone wrong, everything went right.

Here's one individual who believes as I believe, Dr. Evan Harris Walker. In his book, The Physics of Consciousness, Chapter 18, “A God for Tomorrow:” “I think one thing at least is certain: It is clear that consciousness can be broached scientifically. Consciousness exists. And for the first time, we have used the instruments of scientific investigation to fit its existence into the overall tapestry of reality. For the first time, we understand what consciousness is. We can understand mind as including conscious experience and will. We can see how these fit into the physical processes of the brain that are involved in thinking, the data-processing operations at synaptic junctions in the brain …we have discovered that every path we have taken to learn something of the structure of the universe finally comes around to the same result. Whether to understand the interconnections of will, to understand the most basic facts in quantum theory, or to discover the beginnings of the Big Bang universe.” The Big Bang universe is first of all the conscious I, secondly, the conscious we, and thirdly the conscious it, and all exists under a “supreme Consciousness out of which everything else springs… It is consciousness that orders space and time out of a chaos of random events.”

Moses led the Israelites out of Egyptian bondage. He climbed the mountain and received his commands from I AM THAT I AM. Hardly anyone understands that I AM that I am. I led myself out of bondage. I give you the same right. I am not you. You are not me. We each have our own destinies and common ground. When the individual demands his right to be himself, without coercion from government or religion, but rather in cooperative and voluntary association with other people, then we will have a world at peace.

Re: Exploring the Boundry: Science and Spirituality

It is most gratifying to know that my message here has been picked up by Zaadster Maninde Paul, poverty fighter, whose location is Tarime, Mara, on the other side of the planet. My message has been picked up by Zaadster Farzad, who was born in the Middle East, who has lived in the U. S. most of his life and loves America.

Coincidentally, I received an email this Friday 13 from my Zaadster friend Dolphin Blue. He refers me to his Blog. Dolphin Blue informed me that today has been considered unlucky due to patriarchal fear of feminine power. Just yesterday I wrote Farzad this:

“The world's Jewish, Christian, and Muslim authorities need our help. The authorities base their beliefs on patriarchal times, and for a practical reason, during patriarchal times. Life was precarious in the desert. Men and women, out of necessity, had their separate roles. With the industrial revolution in Western society, the roles of men and women became integrated.”
 

“The scriptures are the stories of how misguided humanity has been. The Bible starts with, “And God said, Let us make man in our image” (Gen. 1:26). It could not have been in the image I know man to be. That's why I say to my Zaadz friends, let us change the world. Let us make man in our Zaadz image.”
 
Farzad agreed.

physics of hebrew alphabet origin=dna charge acquisition

the rabbis and the war mongers
will NEVER get past psychobabble
unless they discover

the origin of hebrew is just the necessary charge
acquisition symmetry for DNA…

animated:

http://spirals.eternite.com

kabbalah is a kindergarten to get you ready to think
about how DNA swallows charge domains
to make gravity and your immortal electric field..

and symmetry is the ONLY language..

if you can't think in the language of the pure symmetry of light
(see origin color

www.goldenmean.info/fractalcolor

then you are still condemned to religious metaphors which have trapped
the genepool for millenia


dan winter

goldenmean.info